Comment on What's up with the sudden increase in AI slop?

• WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  let me get this straight. you like AI because a model outperformed another? how is that a real argument for any kind of question? the topic was not about whether they evolve.

  that “black and white stance” is not really bad here, because it’s not actually black and white. their stance is against generative AI, not the kind you use for research. and guess what, forums are flooded by gen AI slop, the only kind of AI today that highly affects our forums.

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  • Valmond@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I just expressed that AI is good in some places, like research.

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    • WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      while dissing someone for not wanting AI in forums, for “not knowing what are they talking about”. right, they didn’t specify what kind of AI they don’t want, but I think it comes from the context that they don’t want generative AIs, because that’s what affects them negatively regularly

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• Cris_Color@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Is that generative ai or machine learning? I really don’t have the same issue with machine learning

  Its not just llm’s, I find calling ai generated images “art” frankly offensive and demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of what art is and why anyone should care about it. But my issue is really just generative ai

  I don’t really think people have an issue with machine learning, it’s useful for all kinds of stuff, and doesn’t really come with the same ethical problems as best I’m aware, so I have no reason to complain about it.

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  • Valmond@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    AI is machine learning. It was just called “machine learning” before every C-suit had to try to sell it.

    I’m with you when it comes to shitty images, but there is interesting approaches too IMO, especially when they will get better, if they do. As for art, it’s just another tool in the toolbox. Painters treated photography similarly, and do you remember (if you’re old enough) when digital cameras became affordable and everyone and their grandma became “a photographer” and flooded the planet with soulless photos? I do 😅

    Art is art, no machine will change that, but maybe it will help people get into the arts, with the cost of a lot of slop ofc. Which is cool IMO.

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    • Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I work in Game Making.

      There’s a ton of stuff in it which has been called “AI” for literally decades and almost none of it is Machine Learnrning: for example the A* pathing algorithm for characters in a game is called “AI”, as are Steering Behaviours that can be used in things like simulating bird flocks, and both are entirelly algorithmic, not ML.

      In fact ML is seldom useful in games.

      You’re confusing use of “AI” in the Marketing of the present day tech bros trying to make money pumping up a Tech Bubble on top of certain very specific forms of Machine Learning, with the actual general meaning of the acronym.

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      • Valmond@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I have 10 years of game dev under my belt, and I wonder where your idea that I think A* is AI come from.

        Do you know how machine learning works? Please tell me about this new AI that isn’t based on it!

        Don’t get me wrong, I think you’re not wrong, Dijkstra isn’t AI, techbros are trying to shovel “AI” into everything for the buzz, but you’re explaining yourself a bit haphasardly IMO.

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    • Cris_Color@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Generative ai and machine learning are pretty broadly considered different if adjacent technologies if I’m not mistaken

      forbes.com/…/the-vital-difference-between-machine… probably not the best source, I just grabbed what came up

      They don’t really do the same thing, and have different types of outputs compared to one another, even if both use a neural network of weights or whatever

      As a person who has spent a huge amount of my life making art I think the idea that it will get more people into art is naive, and I think being devoid of understanding artistic principles it makes poor reference compared to anything else, which is part of why artists communities loathe generative AI. I follow tons of artists online and they all periodically have to stop and vent their frustration.

      A youtuber artist did a whole video explaining how finding reference on the internet is now borderline impossible due to ai content, and after problem solving explained you can avoid that problem by only looking at images older than when gen ai became widespread. It reached a pretty big audience and was extremely well recieved by artists, broadly, hate gen ai and want nothing to do with it 😅

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      • Valmond@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Interesting, my art friends, around 50% just love using generative AI for images to use, the other just don’t care. No one does digital art though, or not as their main style for what I know (acrylics, oil paint, gouache, aquarelle etc ).

        I don’t like AI gen images because there is always tons of crap in colors and lighting, I guess for composition it could be useful but I don’t use images for that personally, so I like go on pinterest.co.kr with an ad blocker and use my imagination.

        Yeah there is someone on a downvote spree lol, no problems & thanks for your post!

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