That’s entirely backwards. I’ve boycotted these online kill-switched games pretty well, but that means fuck all because the general public is incapable of collectively caring about anything. Regulation on the other hand does have an effect, and should the initiative pass, EU is required to properly answer it.
Comment on Stop Killing Games Initiative passes 700K milestone
TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 3 days agoThere is zero scrutiny possible for the form which is 100% based on trust that the signer is who they say they are adults where they say they are. If you want to be John Smith in UK, Paddy Murphy in Ireland and Jurgen Schmidt in Germany, you can be. There’s a reason none of these initiatives have done anything except keep people who care about something busy with dopamine graphing instead of doing something like boycotting relevant games and publishers.
And no, like to the EU, Youtuber noise is not relevant to me. Millions of views is literally nothing. You see the general state of the world, yes?
sevon@lemmy.kde.social 3 days ago
TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 2 days ago
Answering doesn’t mean doing anything, and all they have to do is generally wave in the direction of the overwhelming popularity and profitability of the products compared to the online petition that 0.2% of the EU’s adult population will have signed.
If the general public does not care, legislation will not follow. Filling out and promotinh a glorified change.org form is energy wasted on actually popularising your viewpoint instead of trying uselessly to get it in unpopularly.
bread@feddit.nl 2 days ago
Entirely discounting the fact that the EU has a track record of consumer friendly regulation. I agree, instead of doing what has the highest chance of success, let’s do nothing that could have an impact instead.
TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 2 days ago
What on earth makes you think an online petition, which has never led to any of the consumer friendly regulation you mention, has the ‘highest’ chance? Or that the alternative to a petition is doing nothing?
All of that regulation came primarily from legal cases.
sevon@lemmy.kde.social 2 days ago
It does mean doing something: they have to spell out whether consumers should have rights on this or not. Currently it’s undefined, which is equivalent to “not.”
popularizing your viewpont
And the initiative works against that? You say the cause could have gotten more publicity without it? I really don’t see how that could happen, or understand the point in guilt tripping over it.
energy wasted
I’m starting to think this argument is energy wasted.
MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 3 days ago
Right. Because caring about A means you can’t care about B. If you support legislation, you must be boycoting nothing, because no-one in the history of existence has ever done both.
You’re claiming mutual exclusivity where none exists.
You sound more like you’re scared of the implications of this passing, because you’d have us voting with out wallets rather than… actually voting.
Pre-order, micro-transactions and battle-passes are srill a thing, no matter how much we shout about “big company bad”. This type of crap isn’t something we solve by any one method alone.
TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 2 days ago
You’re claiming mutual exclusivity…
No, I’m not. I’m saying this is a waste of time. Like, writing six paragraphs that say nothing new level of wasting time.
MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 2 days ago
No ,I’m not.
Ok
I’m saying this is a waste of time.
I… What? Is that not a mutual exclusivity argument? For you to have a point, this time and effort would need to be better spent elsewhere. I not only disagree with that, but I have the time and energy to do the other things you are claiming will make a difference.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 days ago
Man what the fuck are you talking about, it requires an EU, country specific verification document(s) to verify you are an actual real person who lives where you say you do.
Examples:
Estonia
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Poland
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TheChargedCreeper864@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
I’m with you with the fact that I don’t believe there to be any serious botting attempts, but I didn’t need a digital ID to sign from the Netherlands.
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I think they will verify with the municipality of the person who signed whether they actually exist. Theoretically you could sign on someone you know this information for, but I think IP logging would burn you pretty quick if even one of those is bogus/duplicate.
Also, I don’t know whether such signatures would be counted before any verification would take place
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
I mean yeah, technically there will be some EU member states with different guidelines (due to different id/privacy laws) where maybe yes, a few of them could theoretically maybe be pumped up by a bot.
But uh, for some thing… you’d need a fairly well done bot net to even kind of pull that off for long.
As you say: basic ip logging.
If its all coming from… a single, or small number of ips… assuming the EU is at least as competent of a server admin as I am, yeah, that’s gonna look pretty fuckywucky in the logs, probably get noticed within 24 hours max.
And yes, I also seriously doubt there would not be some kind of verification of signees at at least some level, that would be initiated after all the thresholds are passed.
But its wildly innacurate to portray this as if… oh yeah any idiot vibe coder could just drill this up to whatever number after 30 minutes.
That was the way the internet worked back in 2006, or how stupid say Twitter polls are now.
Not the same level of inept incompetence going on with EU government websites.
TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 2 days ago
You know you can just fill in what you want right? And the number goes up? They even put the format right there.
Ask ChatGPT to make you a script to fill in that form with Beautiful Soup. Takes 30 seconds, if you haven’t already.
It’s cool that you led with Estonia, the one that was botted to 100% signatures a couple of days ago.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
You are an idiot.
No you cannot fill in any number you want.
This is an official EU webportal for formal citizens initiatives petitions.
Like, ok, I guess you could just spam it with a bot, and then INTERPOL comes after you for fucking with an official government website, potentially hundreds or thousands of counts of impersonation and lying on a government/legal document.
Like sure, go do a DDOS on I dunno, whitehouse.gov
That is approximately and equivalently stupid thing to do.
I repeat: You are an idiot.
TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 2 days ago
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lol
OK buddy, cybercrime never happens and interpol will come arrest your python script if it did because you messed with an EU “government” form that might have resulted in them having to get a 60 year old Greek politican to ask what a EULA was