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Some fun graphics demonstrating it, but this isn’t nearly as interesting in terms of actual substance as I was hoping. Just the exact same three points people have been saying since the week after the election. And I agree that these three are the most relevant factors. But they’re not especially actionable or insightful.

Another point I heard some voters actually discussing was that they wanted the Greens, but they thought it was more important to keep Dutton out. In other words, problems with voters misunderstanding how our electoral system works.

And of course many people have tried suggesting it’s the Greens’ fault for being too oppositional. Purely as a matter of fact this is obviously incorrect, but it could have been interesting to know if there’s data to back up whether a perception of that might have been a factor. Or something else.

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Ilandar@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Pretty much my thoughts when I saw this article earlier in the week, too. The visual presentation of the data is nice but it doesn’t really answer the question in the title, at least no more than articles posted the day after the election.

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ziltoid101@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
There is definitely that perception of ‘being too oppositional’ unfortunately, even though the stats show they support Labor policy like over 90% of the time. Any reasonably politically engaged person will tell you that it’s not the job of the senate crossbench to pass policy that isn’t within their elected platform, although I empathise Labor is kinda between a rock and a hard place on that front (but that’s the cost of being such a big tent catch-all centre party imo).

A few years ago I had a bit of respect for Labor for their political civility (compared to the coalition) but in the last few years I must say I’ve seen way too many Labor MPs/influencers/rusted-ons spread disinformation (and not just debatable stuff, but stuff you could easily disprove quickly if you bothered to check - mostly about preferential voting and fear mongering about smaller parties). And also just repeating statements from the mining lobby?? Maybe that’s just a WA thing!

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- Zagorath@aussie.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  There is definitely that perception of ‘being too oppositional’ unfortunately
  
  There are definitely a lot of people who say that online. But I don’t think I’ve seen any evidence to support the claim that it had a significant effect at the election. I haven’t seen evidence to oppose that claim either, but that’s my point…we’re lacking in real data.
  
  Maybe that’s just a WA thing
  
  WA Labor definitely seems like the worst version of Labor when it comes to the environment…(NSW Labor is the worst in pretty much every other way, from what I’ve seen) But the federal party kowtows to their WA colleagues far too often. Remember when Plibersek had a deal for some climate policy with the Greens, only for Albanese to come in and destroy the deal, at the request of the WA Premier?
  
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pineapple@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
That misunderstanding of voting system could be true. But there is an even broader picture that Labor has been targeting this time. I got Labor papers telling me not to vote for greens because if greens won this seat then that’s one less seat for Labor giving the liberals an edge.

In reality this kind of thinking obviously doesn’t hold up.

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