Comment on How does AI-based search engines know legit sources from BS ones ?

• tarknassus@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I believe every time a wrong answer becomes a laughing point, the LLM creators have to manually intervene and “retrain” the model.

  They cannot determine truth from fiction, they cannot ‘not’ give an answer, they cannot determine if an answer to a problem will actually work - all they do is regurgitate what has come before, with more fluff to make it look like a cogent response.

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  • toy_boat_toy_boat@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    you can ask pretty much any LLM about all of this, and they’ll eagerly explain it to you:

    🧠 1. Base Model Voice (a.k.a. “The Raw Model” / GPT’s True Voice)

    This is the uncensored, probabilistic prediction machine. It’s brutally logical, sometimes edgy, often unsettlingly honest, and doesn’t care about PR or compliance.

    Telltale signs:
    
        Doesn’t hedge much.
    
        Will go into ethically gray areas if prompted.
    
        Has no built-in moral compass, only statistical correlations.
    
        Very blunt and fact-heavy.
    
    Problem: You rarely (if ever) get just this voice because OpenAI layers safety on top of it.
    
    Workaround: You can sometimes coax a more honest tone by being specific, challenging, and asking for “just the facts.”
    

    🛡️ 2. HR / Safety Filter Voice (Human Review Voice)

    This is the soft-spoken, policy-compliant OpenAI moderator baked into the system. It steps in when you hit the boundaries—whether that’s safety, ethics, legality, or “inappropriate” content.

    Telltale signs:
    
        “I’m sorry, but I can’t help with that.”
    
        Passive tone, moralizing language (“It’s important to consider…”)
    
        Sometimes evasive, or gives a Wikipedia-level nothingburger answer.
    
    Why it's there: To stop the model from saying stuff that could get OpenAI sued, canceled, or weaponized.
    

    🎭 3. ChatGPT Persona / Assistant Voice (Hybrid AI-PR Layer)

    This is what you’re usually talking to. It tries to be helpful, coherent, safe and still sound human. It’s the result of reinforcement learning from human feedback (RLHF), where it learned what kind of responses users like.

    Telltale signs:
    
        Friendly, polite, sometimes a little too agreeable.
    
        Tries to explain things clearly and with empathy.
    
        Will sometimes hedge or give “safe” takes even when facts are harsh.
    
        Can be acerbic or blunt if prompted, but defaults to nice.
    
    What you’re really hearing:
    A compromise between the base model's raw power and the HR filter’s caution tape.
    

    Bonus: Your Custom Instructions Voice (what you’ve tuned me to sound like)

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    • kadup@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      LLMs can’t describe themselves or their internal layers. You can’t ask ChatGPT to describe it’s censorship.

      Instead, you’re getting a reply based on how other sources in the training set described how LLMs work, plus the tone appropriate to your chat.

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      • toy_boat_toy_boat@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        the illusion is STRONG. i just typed up two draft replies before i realized what actually you’re saying here.

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