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• boonhet@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  They’re so well regulated that they can safely drive on roads with no speed limit, whereas the US for example has pretty low limits and multiple times the fatal crashes (proportionally to population)

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  • Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    This. Of course it would be even better with limits on the Autobahn, and in fact a majority of people are in favour of such a change (especially if the limit is at 130-140). Our governments are in the pocket of the car industry though, politicians act as if our whole freedom is endangered talking about it (now where do we know that from? 🙃). Things can always be better, but A.I. definitely doesn’t improve an absolutely shitty mobility system like the US has (which is basically nothing but cars). If anything it will make shit even more… off the rails. 😏

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    • boonhet@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yeah but then what’s the point of visiting Germany as a tourist slash petrolhead?

      Jokes aside, I’m of the opinion that existing freedoms are generally best left alone. Besides, Germany has a lower rate than Estonia and we have much lower speed limits. 120 on newly built separated highways in the summer (actually these might have 120 with good conditions in winter too - they have digital signage), 110 on old separated highways and in October or so, they go and collect all the 110 signs and replace them with 100… And up to 90 everywhere else.

      There’s a good chance the limitless autobahn is actually part of what makes German numbers so good. It just requires stricter training and policing, stricter TÜV and for people to always check their mirrors before switching lanes. And just good lane discipline in general. You don’t get that in a lot of Europe. People switch lanes whenever because they’re going 10 over the speed limit and can’t possibly imagine someone else is going faster than them, potentially very close behind, in the other lane.

      PS: traffic fun fact: Did you know that in Latvia, a two lane undivided highway has up to four active lanes? There’s the law abiding citizen lanes (known as shoulders in the west) and the BMW/Audi lanes in the middle, marked by the white lines.

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      • eluvinar@szmer.info ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        There’s a good chance the limitless autobahn is actually part of what makes German numbers so good

        There’s a chance, but I don’t think you argued why would it be a good chance.

        It just requires stricter training and policing, stricter TÜV and for people to always check their mirrors before switching lanes.

        Changing lanes and overtaking are always some of the most risky moments. It’s always going to be much much safer if everybody drives the same speed vs. if you have to dodge because people are going 250 km/h for lulz. If you have the stricter training and policing, you still can improve safety by introducing speed limits.

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      • Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        and for people to always check their mirrors before switching lanes. Oh, I wish. I don’t think your expectation of adapted behaviour is correct on a societal level, and given how many deaths could’ve prevented by a speed limit… people drastically overestimate their abilities and underestimate the speed and force of impact all the time. If the road is going slow right now or someone missed their exit people will still drive like maniacs. Not to mention that there’s also other good reasons for a speed limit, environmental and economical (with ICE cars you don’t immediately feel how much more you’re paying in money and convenience/time, but EVs will tell you that immediately = more CO², more costs individually and for society, less sane car purchases).

        I don’t think strict TÜV, training etc. is connected to a lack of speed limit either. It’s more of a cultural thing in society, and of course to politics and how well people are off.

        I get your opinion about preserving existing freedoms. It’s always a balance, however in this case I think this personal freedom to go fast is in no relation to other people’s right to save travel, and future generations’ right of well-being.

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