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• Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’m a Communist, specifically a Marxist-Leninist. I’m not an Anarchist, but I’m not a “State Capitalist” either. I advocate for gradually building towards a fully publicly owned and planned global economy along democratic lines, ie Marx’s conception of Communism.

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  • dragonfucker@lemmy.nz ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You want a “socialist” revolution, and would turn your nose up at a communist revolution creating communism immediately. Drag thinks you have to support the idea of a communist revolution in order to be a communist. Unless you already live in communism.

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    • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I wouldn’t turn my nose up if the creation of a fully publicly owned and planned global economy along democratic lines was possible to do immediately. It isn’t, so I don’t “support” that just like I don’t “support” unicorns.

      Now, I’m sure you’re actually using Communism to speak of Anarchist-style Communism, but I’m not an Anarchist, I’m a Marxist, I want Marx’s conception of Communism, not the Anarchist conception.

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      • dragonfucker@lemmy.nz ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        And the fact that you don’t want the anarchists to win is why we say you have no belief in left unity and aren’t a leftist. We ancoms, syndicalists, soulists, mutualists, trade unionists, anarcho-pacifists, transhumanists, market socialists, egoists, and so on will sit over here in our big leftism tent and actually get work done while you guys argue about theory and try to fracture the movement apart.

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  • barsoap@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Marxist-Leninist
    but I’m not a “State Capitalist”

    So you’re a revisionist.

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    • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      drag refers to any Socialist system with a state as “State Capitalist,” which is a misnomer I reject. I support the NEP and I support the PRC’s Socialist Market Economy, I support Cuba, Vietnam, etc, but drag in particular is saying even a fully publicly owned economy is “state capitalist” if it has a government.

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      • barsoap@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Well it certainly is capitalist if it’s not democratic. You can have public ownership and worker control, or you can have public ownership and a dictatorship of people who are not workers. Like, bureaucrats, apparatchik, the nomenclatura, etc. Or the army. Or whoever who’s not workers.

        As such drag might operate under the Anarchist definition of state (which I, as an Anarchist, can’t stand, because in <currentyear> it just causes pointless misunderstandings), which more or less bogs down to “hierarchical control”, not “organisational structure of society”. The latter definition is something perfectly neutral, the former is the face of evil itself.

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