Comment on How would you run a society?
Afflictedlife@lemmy.ml 5 days ago
Anarco-collectivist solarpunk hobbit earth go! Means of production divided into small towns where you can have all your needs met while having the opportunity to produce vital products for the collective. Solar and wind powered earth sheltered homes each with its own greenhouse and drone powered town farming plots where the crops are determined by online voting. Freedom to use your labor how you’d like and real-time tracking of the collective needs that can be filled. Solar powered lora drone mesh networks that can be deployed to any region to extend connectivity. Philosophically and religiously free to believe anything you like as long as you aren’t trying to undermine or destroy the collective. Completely horizontally organized with all town issues voted on by the town and national issues voted on by the whole collective. Real time no waiting for results or analysis. Broad goals to eliminate most of human labor and automate for the good of all. Education could be handled with hybrid online human teachers and specialized teaching ai combined with self directed study. Telemedicine with on site medical and perscribing robots for every town regardless of if a doctor lives there. Art and culture for its own sake, no intellectual property, everything open source and available for anyone to use. Crimes serious enough to warrant punishment handled with ostracization, send you prohibitively far from the collective with a single construction and farming drone and let you live your awful life alone. Start with one test town to make sure it’s self sustaining and then keep adding new towns for each production requirement that arises, probably take a few years to get all million humans settled. I don’t feel the towns would be much larger than 700 people each. I wonder how long before 47% of the population is ostracized… I feel if I am allowed to select like minded humans it would be much less than that.
I’m curious on how you reconcile the “towns not much larger than 700 people” and the advanced automation you have in your world.
Drones, computers, or any of the 15 layers you need to support any “network” need significantly more people than groups of 700 to manufacture.
So you have a supply chain now. Very centralized, mostly for control and property reasons yeah? Found out how we don’t really need to work in the offices over covid yeah? So one town they mine, or harvest some natural resource that’s the main production at that town apart from the personal food production and culture and art, you want to mine or whatever you move there. Nearby is another town, all they do is process the stuff the other town mines/gathers and prepare it for shipment, if that seems like a nice job to you you move there now it starts getting more complicated. for every step in the supply chain between towns that are too far away to retrieve the resources you build a town that just moves things from one town to another. We have 1428.5 towns to build. Do you think that is enough to start a decentralized society? How about after 19 years and everybody’s hookups have borne a new generation of townsfolk? How complex could our infrastructure become after 2 generations? How many more towns from your great grandkids? I live a thousand years, that’s only what? oldest grandkids turning 18 like 38 years? And I have the internet and all the tech currently available? Look what the Chinese peasants did in 75 years after a bloody revolution. I don’t even have to murder anyone these aliens apparently gave me copies of people who are willing to go along with this little experiment. It won’t take many of my thousand years for my collective to cover the planet with very content small groups of people building one piece of a puzzle that when completed benefits them all. I mean china just ran a marathon with bipedal robots and I saw someplace else someone is teaching them hand to hand combat I don’t think we would have trouble improving on that to automate away most of the manual labor in say 100 years. Sure it would be pretty subsistence at first when we are settling the first million and coordinating the supply chain, the first generation will probably be mostly building towns and farming in places their children will possibly be able to utilize but it snowballs quickly considering how many years I’m managing this thing
Kookie215@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Oh the like-minded thing gives me a dilemma because ideally I would want them to be blank-minded and be taught by you from scratch, but that doesn’t really work for adult humans they have to have a basic level of intelligence, otherwise it would take years and years just to teach them how to properly human the way it takes babies. We can’t start them all as babies. Hmmm.
Afflictedlife@lemmy.ml 5 days ago
Yes if I was raising clone babies there would be zero percent chance of establishing a civilization in my lifetime
Kookie215@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Your lifetime would be 1,000 years, but I agree, even if you spent the first 50 years raising a village to then raise all the other babies, it would still take way too much time to get it right. So we would either have to pluck copies of real life humans, or program them to know and think what we want them to. I’m not sure which I prefer.
Afflictedlife@lemmy.ml 5 days ago
Programmed is a recipe for inhuman humans. Do we really want a society built on a collection of archtype blank slates based on what aliens think we are like or worse yet, what an ai thinks we are like? Originals, copies or babies are the only real options. But if their able to make copies why would they choose a brain damaged disabled person as the administrator? Thinking logically about fantasy hypotheticals always leads to holes