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u_tamtam@programming.dev 4 weeks agoNone of those (except Jitsi to a small extent) qualify as replacements if we ever want to evolve out of the silos we let megalomaniac CEOs build to better control us. So I’ll add to the list: prose.org , movim.eu (or anything based on XMPP) and matrix.org (though this one is rapidly falling into obsolescence). The keyword here is federation.
Ulrich@feddit.org 4 weeks ago
gazby@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
Is this spam? The first recommendation is for an otherwise paid product that has a 100 user limit on the self-hosted option.
SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org 4 weeks ago
Oh, prose does? Yikes.
u_tamtam@programming.dev 4 weeks ago
See my other comment: if you already have an XMPP account, prose is just another client that you can use however you like, for free (and at that point, everyone should be having an XMPP account, if you ask me). If you don’t have an account, they can act as service provider (but this being a decentralized network, the don’t want to encourage hosting everyone on the same server).
u_tamtam@programming.dev 4 weeks ago
It is not spam, and you miss-read it. Prose is an open-source XMPP client. They can set you up (host on your behalf) for free, up to a certain point. You can pay for it (there is a commercial offering), or you can use it unlimited and with no extra costs than your own server’s if you self-host. It’s all being developed there in the open in case you don’t want to take my word for it: github.com/prose-im
gazby@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
I’m happy to be more formally corrected, but this is from their pricing page.
u_tamtam@programming.dev 4 weeks ago
Just below you’ll find a section about “self hosting (soon)”, though you can already use it with your own XMPP account as a standalone client (no questions asked), like I do, or, optionally, with the server-side components (opensource prosody module).
SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org 4 weeks ago
For an average user how good is calling on XMPP and Matrix on any given server? We’ve only seen matrix.org have successful calling and we’ve never had success with XMPP calling nor joining groups on it. No idea what prose is.
u_tamtam@programming.dev 4 weeks ago
In terms of tech and implementation details, it’s been years since everyone has been converging towards the same WebRTC architecture (with everyone bundling/linking the same set of basic components and libs as found in chrome, android, …). As such, a call between two participants (or as a group with less than a dozen participants) should be as good on XMPP as anywhere else (including the commercial options like Google Meet, Zoom, Matrix, …).
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Of course there are caveats like relying on TURN where direct connection is impossible, but that’s the gist of it. Regarding XMPP group calls,
Where things start getting spicier is in large group calls (dozens of participants or more) requiring the stream to be brokered by a central server (SFU), with stream re-compression and optimisation. Standard-XMPP isn’t great for that yet (non-standard XMPP, like Jitsi, on which it is based, is pretty damn good, but unavailable from your regular XMPP setup). Work is going on to improve that (on two fronts, with some XMPP servers turning into SFUs, and with a protocol being designed for offloading AV streams to any willing existing SFU).
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The problem with large group calls essentially boils down to how much bandwidth and CPU you want to throw at it, and that’s not cheap (unless, of course, you are the product, i.e. Google Meet, Discord & al). The same applies to self-hosted Matrix/Galene/Jitsi: you probably won’t want to hold a large conference call on a home-server, and the server admins are bearing some costs, so get to know them and how sustainable that is. In the case of Matrix.org, it is not.
Prose is an open-source XMPP client with a focus on large rooms/banquet-style conversations (like IRC, slack, …). It is still in its early stages but already quite usable and possibly a good fit for a subset of Skype refugees.