I also don’t think gendered sports need to exist, just have people try out and be put into classes based on their performance instead of gender. The current system is kind of unfair to everyone because there are some sports that only have one gendered team in a lot of places. Like at my university I think only men can play rugby. I don’t know enough about sports to know how to properly implement a good system, but I’m sure it could be figured out and probably end up making sports more fun for everybody. Either way, strength definitely doesn’t completely follow gender or sex, my friends who are cis women could absolutely beat me up.
If a team wants to exclude trans women who consistently outperform their competition, fine, as long as they also exclude cis women who are equally high performers. I don’t think that would be smart, but I also don’t think it’s like morally objectionable. If they want to exclude all trans women regardless of performance and not exclude high performing cis women, then it’s not about fairness, it’s about discrimination.
I’m not going to try and convince you of anything, but your response is a good summary of the problem. You started off by saying “trans people aren’t hurting you so just let people be”, and now you’re saying that men should be able to force their way into women’s sports even if the women don’t want them there.
turbowafflz@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I also don’t think gendered sports need to exist, just have people try out and be put into classes based on their performance instead of gender. The current system is kind of unfair to everyone because there are some sports that only have one gendered team in a lot of places. Like at my university I think only men can play rugby. I don’t know enough about sports to know how to properly implement a good system, but I’m sure it could be figured out and probably end up making sports more fun for everybody. Either way, strength definitely doesn’t completely follow gender or sex, my friends who are cis women could absolutely beat me up.
tahira@hilariouschaos.com 3 weeks ago
If women want gendered sports, you’ll agree that men shouldn’t be allowed into them, even if they’re trans women?
turbowafflz@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
If a team wants to exclude trans women who consistently outperform their competition, fine, as long as they also exclude cis women who are equally high performers. I don’t think that would be smart, but I also don’t think it’s like morally objectionable. If they want to exclude all trans women regardless of performance and not exclude high performing cis women, then it’s not about fairness, it’s about discrimination.
tahira@hilariouschaos.com 3 weeks ago
I’m not going to try and convince you of anything, but your response is a good summary of the problem. You started off by saying “trans people aren’t hurting you so just let people be”, and now you’re saying that men should be able to force their way into women’s sports even if the women don’t want them there.
Women deserve single-sex spaces.