Comment on Drone Footage Shows Aftermath of Israeli Music Festival Following Deadly Hamas Attack | WSJ News

• givesomefucks@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Their only other alternative is to stand by while “settlers” under the protection of armed IDF kept crossing into Palestine and kicking them off their land.

  In this situation it was a Pyrrhic victory or slow annihilation.

  There’s no outcome where they win. So they can lay down and wait to die, or die fighting.

  Put a human and those conditions and they will act like a cornered animal eventually… It’s basic psychology, it’s been there longer than we’ve been hominids. Opossums and those feinting sheep are the only mammals that don’t have that instinct.

  The only thing they have achieved is burning bridges of support worldwide, which will not be rebuilt

  What fucking support did they have?

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  • jeena@jemmy.jeena.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I went to Israel and Palestine a couple of years ago, when I first arrived in Jerusalem and heard the air raid sirens I was so afraid and asked my AirBnb host where the shelters are where we should go because rockets are coming. He told me to relax and that I don’t have to be afraid that normally no rockets make it to Jerusalem …

    I also went to Hebron and talked to a lot of people there for my [podcast](](jeena.net/pods/21), and they tell about their horrible situation anyone who would listen - but sadly nobody cares. I came to the same conclusion as you:

    There’s no outcome where they win.

    The only way for piece in that region is when Israel finally does their genocide and annihilates all Palestinians. Not because they deserve any of it, but only because they are so much stronger and there is just nothing the Palestinians can do. Nobody from the outside cares and they know it. It is getting even more obvious now that more arab countries are moving on and try to normalize ties with Israel.

    So many of them have been living in a concentration camp for several generations, it’s just beyond sad.

    But I have also to say that in the north, especially in Nazareth, for some reason both Palestinians and Jews live in quite ok piece together, they wear the same clothes, they eat the same food, you wouldn’t even be able to point out who is who there.

    I realize many people will be mad about my comment, that’s ok, it’s a very confusing conflict there which has been going on for probably thousands of years already.

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    • givesomefucks@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      But I have also to say that in the north, especially in Nazareth, for some reason both Palestinians and Jews live in quite ok piece together, they wear the same clothes, they eat the same food, you wouldn’t even be able to point out who is who there.

      That’s how it all was before European royalty created Israel

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  • BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Ah yes, clearly the only options an oppressed people have are to do nothing or to murder and rape attendees of a music festival. There are no other choices!

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  • dumdum666@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    What fucking support did they have?

    In terms of money maybe something like this:

    https://www.reuters.com/world/germany-austria-suspend-bilateral-aid-palestinians-after-hamas-attack-2023-10-09/

    Likely won’t be the last.

    • In terms of „soft power“: they lost a lot of goodwill with politicians worldwide. No sane politician supports the killing of innocent civilians.
    • Hamas also successfully silenced Israelis that oppose their own government. This probably what Hamas wants though.
    • Since you are using a cornered animal metaphor: how the fuck did those foreign civilians corner THIS animal? And spare me your „but Israel“ excuses - those killed tourists didn’t have to do ANYTHING with this.

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    • givesomefucks@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      apnews.com/…/eu-palestinians-aid-israel-hamas-be4…

      “There will be no suspension of payments” at the moment, a terse European Commission statement said late Monday, five hours after EU Commissioner Oliver Varhelyi had said that all payments from the development program for Palestinians would be “immediately suspended. All projects put under review. All new budget proposals … postponed until further notice.”

      Did you mean “likely won’t last”? Because yeah, the EU already came to their senses

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