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• T00l_shed@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The present models are, is the point i think the other person is making.

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  • AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I haven’t looked into it too much, because I don’t bother to use these things myself. But if I remember, there are some systems that are open-source, can be run locally, and then a person could train those systems on only public domain and freely licensed works. That is the kind I’m talking about, so bringing up the systems I’m not talking about is just a strawman.

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    • mutual_ayed@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I haven’t looked into it too much

      The closest thing to what you’re discussing is what’s built over at db0

      aihorde.net

      However what you’re hypothesizing cannot exist, due to the nature of a diffusion model. The source that the images are generated from, all of that was stolen in 2021. It was illegally scraped.

      AIHorde is moving in the right direction, but we need a system where the people who’s source work is being scraped need to either consent to the use of their artistic labor, through copy left practices. Or they deserve to be compensated through royalties.

      In latestage capitalism the only power is that which lies within capitol. That has been stolen by the large AI companies. What you’re proposing through your hypotheticals is closing the barn door after the horses have got out.

      That is the kind I’m talking about, so bringing up the systems I’m not talking about is just a strawman.

      I’m actively refuting what you’re proposing because not only does it not exist, but it’s currently due to the nature of the tech it’s impossible. This is not a strawman argument, this is a refutation of a naive take that does nothing to push forward the tech in which you yourself would like it to go.

      Sorry to be such a wet blanket. If you’d like to know more about Diffusion models and what they stole here’s a great place to start. systemicalternatives.org/…/the-controversy-of-ai-…

      If you want to work towards what your hypotheticals state you could consider contributing to aihorde.net.

      My response again is from the viewpoint of someone who is constantly refuting “Why don’t we just…” naval gazing and how trolls and other bad faith actors hide behind that type of language.

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      • AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        When you say, “However what you’re hypothesizing cannot exist, due to the nature of a diffusion model. The source that the images are generated from, all of that was stolen in 2021. It was illegally scraped.”, are you referring to Laion-5B?

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    • T00l_shed@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I understand what you’re saying the point to me that sticks out was the usage of “hypothetical”, which to me would mean things that don’t exist, which wouldn’t be a strawman as i understand it. With that being said I’m genuinely not trying to be an ass, just explaining the way I perceived the comments, I hope it’s not needed to say, but I meant no offense in my reply of your comment.

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      • AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        No offense taken. It is still a strawman though, because regardless of the realness of what I’m talking about, they’re still referring to something different and then attacking that as if it is the thing I’m talking about.

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      • mutual_ayed@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        You’re correct. Trolls love to hide in grey area naval gazing questions. My kneejerk reaction is to directly refute and shut it down. I definitely err on the side of asshole now though.

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