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SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

This is why I’m personally convinced it’s astroturfed.

They should be spending time building community that does something other than make signs. Like, you know, Mutual Aid Groups.

Instead they’re going to piss away precious time telling themselves their protests are doing something.

The largest worldwide protests in history (at the time) preceded the War in Iraq, to try to prevent the War in Iraq.

The war happened anyway. Nobody learned anything.

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artificialfish@programming.dev ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Yeah I 100% agree. Protests do absolutely nothing. It’s legal for instance to drive someone to get an abortion. It’s legal to organize a union or organized interest/lobbying group. In the illegal space, if you are of the drug dealer affinity, get people their abortion pills and hormone therapies (and cheap GLP-1s and insulin while your at it). Get ready to hide people in your attic like people did during the nazi’s.

I don’t believe anyone can organize to directly confront the police/military or institutions that are defended by the police/military. Actual disobedience needs to be in the shadows.

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eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
“What do you mean I’m being arrested? I did a protest that one time!”

Meanwhile: “They can’t arrest all of us. Get the guns.”

The protests against the War in Iraq did nothing. The protests of Trump’s first admin did nothing. The protests against segregation did nothing. Or for women’s rights. Or for queer rights. Or to end slavery. Or to have representation in England about taxes.

Things are only done with the rich and state fears for their lives. The media ignored 50501, just like it did for the protests of Trump the first go around, and against Bush.

If every single person at the 50501 protest helped their neighborhood to establish mutual aid networks and community trust instead of driving for a few hours to a state capitol, Trump’s thugs would have a harder time cracking down on anyone vaguely non-white.

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- starlinguk@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  The protests against segregation worked, though.
  
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  - eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    
    The protests against segregation worked, though.
    
    No they worked because of the Black Panthers and Malcolm X threatening the white establishment. California under Ronald Reagan push its first gun control laws because the Black Panthers used their 2nd amendment rights to ensure that black americans could walk without fear, vote, and go eat anywhere they wanted to as per the 14th Amendment.
    
    The media has sanitized the movement to sway people into doing anything but asking nicely to an oppressive state is how you get things done, ignoring that when MLK Jr. was alive they called him a rebel who ruined every town he went into.
    
    Defeatism doesn’t work, but neither does pretending that the narrative the rich tells us is the whole truth.
    
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