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With out of context I mean in it’s nature. Imagine you have to cut off someone’s leg who doesn’t like pain and won’t profit from experiencing it during the amputation now or in the future, is it better to do it in the way it causes the most pain or the way it causes less pain, when it leads to exactly the same result?

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FluffyPotato@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Oh in that context it’s absolutely worse. And in a complete vaccum where no action or even existence precedes or continues from that one moment of suffering it’s also bad.

Though because such a vacuum does not exist in reality suffering can be good. For example choosing to suffer to bring about some good outcome would be good. Or suffering that builds character for some future event. Also some forms of suffering are enjoyable to some people.

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- ParsnipWitch@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Yeah of course. But that doesn’t change that it’s objective. I don’t mean suffering just as in physical pain.
  
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  - FluffyPotato@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Yea, the fact that there are a billion things that can be considered suffering makes it even more subjective since one form of suffering may be someone else’s enjoyment.
    
    How is suffering morally objective?
    
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    ParsnipWitch@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    If you hit two people with a stick, one enjoys it and the other does not, than clearly one is suffering the other isn’t. That’s not morally objective it’s a biological reality.
    
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