Comment on Always guard against living in the world of fantasy rather than undeniable facts

Genius@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

• Belgdore@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  This is true to the extent that science can only prove things through induction and induction is not as good as deduction for logical proofs. Which means that it is not “objective” in the logical senses as it relates to physical reality. But science is “objective” to the extent that experiments are repeatable by any any given person following the same methodology will be the same results.

  However the meme image is about interpretation of glyphs used to represent numbers. And the left guy on the bottom is a dumb fuck for not using one of the possible agreed upon options for the interpretation of that glyph.

  This is more about interpretation of language and communication than science. Which puts you somewhere between the “9” and “6” guys because you are at least keeping the conversation in the interpretation of data / epistemology arena.

  The problem are the people who see this and call it woke or start rambling about a flat earth. Those are the real dumb fucks who aren’t talking about any reasonable interpretation of the thing that is clearly being discussed.

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  • Genius@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    But science is “objective” to the extent that experiments are repeatable by any any given person following the same methodology will be the same results.

    No, the beliefs of the researcher are a confounding variable in any experiment. This is called observer bias. Most researchers believe in disputed ideas like personhood, spacetime, and objects, which influence their scientific conclusions. This isn’t a bug, it’s a feature. Science exists within our socially constructed world. A truly objective epistemology would be incomprehensible to us, because we are not objectively perceiving or thinking creatures.

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    • Belgdore@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      I already qualified that I meant objective in two different senses and conceded that pure logical objectivity is not attainable through the scientific method.

      Objective in the second way means that people performing the same actions will get the same results regardless of cultural or personal biases.

      Observer bias refers to the interpretation of the data, and the construction of a model using that data. Bias also exists in the formation of theories which determine which experiments will be done.

      However, two people performing the double slit experiment, for example, will find the same results as long as they follow the same methodology. The idea of the double slit experiment and what the data mean are of course up to interpretation and that interpretation will have some amount of bias.

      This is the same as saying basketball games have objective scores. The score is what it is regardless of who is reading the number on the scoreboard or who is playing the game. The rules of the game are arbitrary in the same way that an experimental hypothesis and methodology are arbitrary. What the score means is subjective to the fans in the same way that data interpretation is subjective to the observer.

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      • Genius@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Objective in the second way means that people performing the same actions will get the same results regardless of cultural or personal biases.

        I guarantee you that if a Christian and an atheist are given the same prayer healing treatment, the Christian will see a stronger placebo effect. Try the same experiment on the efficacy of faith healing in Afghanistan and in Sweden, you’ll get different results.

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• Muaddib@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Science is the language of the gods, and by speaking it, we become enlightened.

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  • Genius@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    You religious quacks are what’s wrong with science. Worshipping the idea of science instead of using the scientific method as a tool.

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