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Rivalarrival@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

Norway, for example, which has seen consumption decline since 2018.

They started obstructing traffic in 2022, not 2018. Norway’s consumption has increased, significantly since they began obstructing traffic.

Japan’s decline since then is commensurate with its population decline. Germany’s and Sweden’s are flat. UK is up even more than Norway.

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ABCDE@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I am telling you when their trend started. Norway’s consumption has not increased, it is down on 2018, as I said. It had a slight decline in 2023 (the increase between 2020 and 2022 is when people stopped driving during COVID then came back to restart its downward trend).

Japan’s decline since then is commensurate with its population decline.

Actually no, if you know what commensurate means. The population has dropped around 4% since 2008, yet oil consumption has been decreasing since 1996.

Germany is similar in terms of consumption, Sweden likewise.

ourworldindata.org/…/oil-consumption-by-country

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- Rivalarrival@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop
  
  JSO didn’t exist in 1996 or 2018; it was founded in 2022.
  
  You’re giving JSO credit for declines that happened decades before they came into existence. That is intellectually dishonest.
  
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  - ABCDE@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Sigh… and how would you like to quantify that when there are so many factors?
    
    Obstructing traffic is not an effective means of protest. Target actual agents and entities associated with the oil industry, not the victims.
    
    They are effective and bring about awareness among other things.
    
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    Rivalarrival@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    
    and how would you like to quantify that
    
    I would like to spend less time talking to environmentalists about useless people harassing victims of the oil industry, and more time actually targeting the oil industry.
    
    For that, you don’t need to identify massive, centralized oil infrastructure. You need to look at the oil industry’s agents and operations within your own community. There is no shortage of businesses associated with the supplies and maintenance of ICE vehicles. Every one of those businesses needs to feel direct pressure to focus on EVs, other transportation alternatives, or go out of business.
    
    Gas/petrol stations and car dealerships, for example. Set a standard for them to follow; target them for an appropriate degree of hostility when they don’t.
    
    For gas stations, they can install at least as many EV charging stations as they have fuel pumps.
    
    For dealerships, they must offer more EVs than ICE vehicles, and the sticker price of those EVs must be equal to or lower than comparable ICE vehicles.
    
    Businesses that meet these standards are supporting the “transportation” industry. Businesses that fail to meet these standards are supporting the “oil” industry.
    
    JSO’s website makes it clear that “arrests” are an important part of their demonstrations. There are plenty of arrest-worthy actions they can take at a gas station. They can create plenty of “awareness” at an ICE car dealership.
    
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JSO didn’t exist in 1996 or 2018; it was founded in 2022.