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Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

• eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Seeing as some left to Argentina or were recruited by the US and the USSR for NASA, no they never were de-Nazified, they just wiped the blood off their name tags.

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  • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Yep, prominent Nazis were even given leadership of NATO, such as Adolf Heusinger. The Soviets ended up being far harsher to the Nazis, hence why so many fled to Latin America to get away.

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    • eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      “No you can’t bring up that NATO had actual Nazis with blood on their hands as leaders! Especially ones that tried to make a new Waffen-SS int he 50s! That’s unfair!”

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      • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Yep, people love to reflexively defend NATO, as it’s very effectively pitched as merely a “defensive alliance” when it has always served as a coercive arm for the US to pressure its geopolitical adversaries, especially the Soviets, hence why they worked with the most effective anticommunists, the Nazis. If you don’t play along with NATO, then they pull Operation Gladio on you.

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      • el_bhm@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Ah yes. The fallacy that europe rejects all media pointing to nazis being reintegrated into western structures.

        Completely niche idea that never seeped into the pop culture. The evil Nazi living in the west.

        Westerners just stick fingers into their ears and shout lalala each time they see this.

        Keep jerking yourself off with these arguments.

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• cows_are_underrated@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  While this is absolutely true, I dont think, that this is the cause of the current uprise of facism.

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  • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Fascism is generally Capitalism’s immune system as it declines, meant to violently root out leftist opposition as workers begin to protest their conditions.

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    • gabbath@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I’m stealing that analogy, thank you very much.

      I’d generalize it a bit to say, fascism is the immune system of any system built on bad principles that’s collapsing under the weight of its own internal contradictions. The obvious decay then creates a space psychos and grifters to pose as faux saviors and gain power by scamming people into something they pretend is a solution but is actually a death cult.

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      • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I think that’s unique analysis, for sure, but I’d keep it to Capitalism. Historical movements recognized as fascist, such as Italian Fascism and Nazi Germany, arose specifically in decaying Capitalist economies where a millitant working class was growing, and the fascists slaughteted the Communists and Socialists. I recommend reading the first chapter of Blackshirts and Reds (though the whole book is fantastic).

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    • cows_are_underrated@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      This is absolutely true

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    • el_bhm@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Just like in russia, since 90s where turbo capitalism took over.

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• Willem20@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  That’s the thing: you can’t kill an idea by killing the man. The idea only dies with good education, proper social support, social cohesion and good (economic) prospects for the future. Same goes for Hamas IMO: try to kill as many soldiers as you can, the collateral damage among civilians breeds only the next soldier in line

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• el_bhm@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  When are you moving to russia? It is one of the most denazified countries in the world right now, after all.

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  • Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Ha good joke

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  • eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Surely they don’t have a Neo-Nazi party office right now, right? No party called the AfD that does that?

    Surely.

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    • el_bhm@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yes. The exact same that cozies up to russia and praises United Russia politics.

      The same one.

      Avert your eyes to all evidence of taking russian blood money as well.

      Deploy another argument!

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      • eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        So AfD is a good party that isn’t practicing the xenophobic and hateful policies of Neo-Nazis?

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