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Comment on 'We've lost a partner and a friend': Ukrainians somber as U.S. partnership disintegrates

realcaseyrollins@thelemmy.club ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

You’re in the minority.

On this teeny tiny corner of the internet, sure.

IDK, my principle on war is that it is bad and should be mostly avoided. Wars that could be ended more quickly should not be continuously funded, and wars should conclude as quickly as possible, even if that means there will be greater short-term casualties. Over the long term, I think more people die when wars drag on in a trickle of death, and it prevents the inevitable losers from rebuilding as quickly as they should and their citizens deserve.

If you say that because Russia is bad we should go to war with them directly and destroy them, I’m not a fan, but I think it’d be better than stretching out this war for all of eternity. In general though, I think just letting Ukraine lose is the best option, since it likely leads to the least amount of casualties, and doesn’t give Russia a particularly greater strategic advantage over us.

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Doom@ttrpg.network ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

Go tell the grieving relatives of killed Ukraine soldiers that you wanted them to die because you’re their friend.

What a weird thing to say

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- realcaseyrollins@thelemmy.club ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  What can I say, it’s a weird position to have. “I care about your people so much I want them to die in war”, what kind of logic is that?
  
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  - Doom@ttrpg.network ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Again absolutely stupid position to think.
    
    You’re just dumb bro nobody thinks like this lmfao. Literally stupidest thing I’ve ever heard someone say
    
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Empricorn@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
You’re so inconsistent. You pretend to care about Ukrainian soldiers while saying we should give their aggressors everything they want. Thousands of Ukrainian men, women, and children killed, raped, tortured, and stolen, to say nothing of the destruction in their homeland.

war is bad and should be mostly avoided.

Yep, I think most agree with this. But just giving the invaders all the territory they stole is literally guaranteeing more war and aggression in the future! If Russia knows they can just invade another sovereign nation and wait it out to be rewarded, why the fuck wouldn’t they? They 100% will do this again to other countries and the horror will continue. Defending yourself is just and fair.

Lastly, who are you to say Ukraine should just throw up the white flag and lose? That’s for them to decide. And what you, me, Trump, or Putin think they should do is irrelevant. They want to defend their country, and are just asking for our support to do it. And we should give it to them…

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- realcaseyrollins@thelemmy.club ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  
  Yep, I think most agree with this. But just giving the invaders all the territory they stole is literally guaranteeing more war and aggression in the future! If Russia knows they can just invade another sovereign nation and wait it out to be rewarded, why the fuck wouldn’t they? They 100% will do this again to other countries and the horror will continue.
  
  This is the best argument in favor of the war, and the one that was sold to me at first. But after how long the war has gone on, it doesn’t seem to me like Putin would even live long enough to capture all the land he allegedly wants to, and even if he did, that he would use that land to attack larger nations or the US.
  
  Defending yourself is just and fair.
  
  But we are not Ukraine. Ukraine should keep fighting if they want to, but it’s not our war. We only benefit marginally from the war’s existence, it is not particularly in America’s best interest to participate in it.
  
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  - Empricorn@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    I knew you didn’t care about those “grieving relatives of killed Ukraine soldiers”. A war should “benefit” us?? Psychotic mentality. Some people help others and defend against bullies simply because it’s the right thing to do…
    
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    realcaseyrollins@thelemmy.club ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    “If you REALLY cared about us, you’d make sure this war lasts forever!”
    
    Nah homie. I care about Ukrainians soldiers like I care about civilians in the Congo. I feel bad for what they’re going for and want it to end but I don’t want my money going towards them.
    
    The fact that you think that I can only care about Ukranians if I give them my tax money is…interesting…
    
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