Comment on Martin Scorsese urges filmmakers to fight comic book movie culture: ‘We’ve got to save cinema’
MudMan@kbin.social 11 months agoNo, that's the opposite of that logic. As... I explicitly say above.
See, people think meaning is a puzzle. "What is actually happening in such and such movie?", but that's not it.
Meaning is communication, it's put together from a lot of shared cues. It's not Picross, it's more like a coloring book. Like I said above, Thor movies, if anything, make an explicit point of explaining how humans confused a race of aliens for gods. They were so worried about that distinction that at some point in Avengers they make Cap say "There is only one God and I'm pretty sure he doesn't dress like that".
Which is also a very Christian statement but not an honest statement of belief because of the way it's presented, when it's presented, who says it and the history of Marvel being very afraid to call Thor a "god" in media. Context cues!
Mongostein@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
In the Thor movies they explain that Hel and Valhalla are real as well. I don’t see it as any different.
MudMan@kbin.social 11 months ago
The Thor movies have three different directors and a bunch of writers, they don't "say" the same things. And I just walked through why and how they are different.
The Taika Waititi movies, which I presume are the ones you're referring to, actively mock the gods they depict. Hel is actively a place where Odin is hiding, figuratively, the shame of his colonial past. In the sequel, Valhalla is in fact presented as a physical afterlife, but honestly it's, like the "there is onkly one God", more of a metatextual statement to limit the bummer of an ending. See my post above about why Valhalla being Valhalla and Jane going there physically is the opposite of what Guardians 3 is doing.
But hey, ultimately the TLDR is: nobody involved in Love & Thunder thinks there's a Valhalla, and you can tell. Somebody in Guardians thinks there is a version of the nondescript, nondenominational heavenly afterlife they depict, and you can tell.
Mongostein@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
I disagree, but I’m enjoying reading how you’re waaaaayyyyy overthinking it.
MudMan@kbin.social 11 months ago
I'm not overthinking it, I'm overexplaining it after a bunch of people got really antsy about the concept of movies saying things.
The thinking took like ten minutes after I left the movies. It went "huh, hadn't clocked that Gunn is a spiritual/catholic guy before, It's weird how much of a direct response to the very strongly atheist videogame plot this turned out to be. I like the game's take better".
And that was literally it until I mentioned it in passing here and a bunch of people went "wait whaaaa?" and got really agitated.