Comment on I wonder how things are going in America today...
hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 6 days ago
This is what happens when we let conservatives have any sort of power in society
Comment on I wonder how things are going in America today...
hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 6 days ago
This is what happens when we let conservatives have any sort of power in society
zildjiandrummer1@lemmy.world 6 days ago
Gonna get downvoted, but conservative ideals should be present to some minor extent to balance things out. I don’t mean modern conservatives or Republicans, but the concept of fiscal conservatism (e.g. preventing waste in the military). I’m not talking about the fIsCaL cOnSeRvAtIsM that current Republicans preach either, like hollowing out social programs to give tax cuts to their buddies. So yeah that’s of course not what we have now, but there should be a healthy balance for that kind of thing.
Transtronaut@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 days ago
The problem is that what you describe is not conservatism, it’s just basic competence in governance. It’s an impressive achievement of the radical right that they have managed to get people to conflate the two.
zildjiandrummer1@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Sure that’s fair. Whatever you want to label it, there needs to be some kind of balances against full progressivism so it doesn’t go extremely far to the left. I say this as a pretty far left progressive in most things, but have some minor conservative ideals (such as individuals wanting to support themselves without relying on outside sources). Again, I’m well aware that’s not modern Conservatism in the US these days.
Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 5 days ago
You mean we shouldn’t have social welfare programs?
No public healthcare, no public housing, no public infrastructure, no public health services, no free public education, no universal basic income
How are any of these bad?
Fedizen@lemmy.world 5 days ago
The people who say this tend to forget that if you only take the “good things” from conservatism it ceases to be conservatism. The conservative ideology is garbage and only leads countries to a sort of destructive cannabalism.
zildjiandrummer1@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Basically what I mean is the mindset of doing everything possible in your power to be self-sufficient. I think I’ve gone so far off the left side I’ve horseshoed around. Everyone should be striving to be as self-sufficient as possible and not need to rely on external forces. I’m far from it, but I’m trying, at least given the past few years (and especially this month) I’m preparing for bad situations.
Fedizen@lemmy.world 5 days ago
That is the mindset that got us here. Maybe it will help to double down, but the reality is we don’t know, we’re in uncharted waters
SolidShake@lemmy.world 5 days ago
You won’t get downvoted. Ideally you’d have both parties suck it up and work together and combine ideologies. But… well you know… Babies
zildjiandrummer1@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Nah, I’m not talking about the actual current Republican party nowadays. They need to die out and form a new party that’s actually conservative. It’s the most corrupt swamp straight outta Uzbekistan or Russia at this point. The things they’re doing now, no Democrats should compromise on ever.
Vinstaal0@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Ideally you wouldn’t have two parties, but have an odd number of parties to figure it out. So three at minimum
zildjiandrummer1@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Ideally you’d have multi-party coalition districts with RCV or STV to elect them. We have a duopoly because of FPTP.
Vinstaal0@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Describing the good of the opinions that are more on the right side of the spectrum isn’t going to come across as good if you use conservatives to describe it.