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MudMan@kbin.social 9 months agoYou... literally said
The reality is probably that the movies have nothing political in them other than the joke about Reagan which likely actually wasn’t meant to be a real critique
It's right there, I'm looking at it.
I am now more curious to know how you think this works. Like, you think there's a political take in some art, but not in all art, so there's a line somewhere between explicit and implicit political stuff, I suppose?
Or is the confusion that you thought I understood you as advocating for no politics in art instead? Because that's not what I'm saying.
SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org 9 months ago
I claimed 3 movies likely aren’t political. You extrapolated that to all movies. I’m done here
MudMan@kbin.social 9 months ago
I think you're maybe mixing up "being political" with "being propagandistic". Those aren't the same thing.
BTTF or Guardians 3 are political in that they have a built-in political view. They're movies where reality is painted from a specific perspective and lines up with a certain worldview. They're not selling you on that perspective actively, it's built into the narrative as a framing, consicous or subsconscious (it's more subconscious in BTTF, more conscious in G3).
Die Hard is a bit of a different beast there. It may not be outright propagandistic or jingoistic, but it sure is flirting with that borderline there.
SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org 9 months ago
I absolutely agree that politics can be subtle and unintentional but to classify a movie with the word “political” as a topic unto itself implies an intentionally present political message.
MudMan@kbin.social 9 months ago
I'd argue it implies a noticeable or identifiable political framing, but I don't think intentionality is the line.
But hey, at that point we're debating what we name it. I'd argue that we want to have a name for it, and if you don't want to call it "political" I'm struggling to think what else to use. It's not simply thematic, because a theme can be different from an implicit political worldview. A movie can be about, say, coming of age, thematically, but that's different from its political framing.