Comment on What do you think of anarchism?

• communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Maybe you mean general elections on every detail of law, but again, that’s impossible, it’s stupid, it’s a waste of time and resources to have people decide how farmers interact with suppliers and dairy, something 99.9% of all people have no knowledge of.

  this is not a problem in any real world anarchist society, what actually happens is building law through consensus, look at the way the zapatistas organize for example.

  showing up to the meetings isn’t mandatory, but they have one day off where everyone is allowed to participate, in the event of a tie, they vote, but most decisions are made through consensus.

  also I think you vastly overestimate how much laws need to be changed, lawmakers will not endlessly go back and forth about unimportant things. did you know most members of congress in the us don’t even read the bills they sign? How much work is it really to help with making law once a week or so?

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  • Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    this is not a problem in any real world anarchist society that has ever existed

    As in none.

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    • communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      There are tons, they just are usually destroyed by outside forces

      anarwiki.org/List_of_Anarchist_Societies

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      • Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Oh boy I love how the Freetown Christiania is first on that list. Since that’s a place I actually know very well.

        You list is bullshit, that’s like saying 5 friends are an anarchist society. Those are NOT self governing societies. They are under the rules of countries.
        If any are not, they are probably just very small cult like communities.

        They do not run factories power-plants, electricity grids, infrastructure or anything of any serious scale, and are in no way models for how to run a country.

        Freetown Christiania had lots of problems with crime, and they also had huge problem of elitism as in very few people actually decided everything, the power structure is/was very much based on who had lived there from the beginning.

        All this anarchy idealism/ideology is bullshit that doesn’t work in real self governing societies. Of course it can work for small groups, like what the fuck, just because I live in a street where we help each other, we don’t form a government and police for that!

        Christiana may have called themselves autonomous, but they never where in any meaningful sense of the word. And the truth is they needed help from criminal rocker gangs to get rid of widespread sales of hard drugs. And later they chose to legalize according to Danish law, and called on help from the real police to get rid of the remaining drug sales. Christiana today a mostly normal part of Copenhagen today, but maybe still influenced more than average by the 70’s flower power roots, although there was never any flower power in the way that society was run.
        Christiania was always 100% depending on the normal society they existed within, the dependence wasn’t superficial either but for EVERYTHING, Jobs, hospitals, doctors, sewage, electricity. Christiania was never much more than a football club deciding to play by their own rules. They can do that, but they still live in a society where everything is governed by the rules of the country and the city.

        I’m sorry, but your dream is an impossible lie. And you just proved your complete inability to demonstrate any self governing society of any significant size that function by a system of anarchy. By significant size, I’d say it needs to be at least 50000 people, to have any significance to show it as a working model at a scale above a tiny tribal community where everybody mostly know each other.

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