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But you are defending the system. You’re literally saying if you end up in a place that expects tipping then you should tip. What if you’re going out with a group and that group decides to go somewhere that expects tipping? Are you supposed to remove yourself from the group so you wouldn’t go into a place like that?

You can’t take this black and white stance where if you end up participating in this system you also have to perpetuate that system. Making the customer feel like they’re responsible for the livelihood of the staff is how this tipping culture is kept alive and that is exactly what you’re doing right now. You’re trying to claim we are responsible for their livelihood simply because we stepped into the restaurant.

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LandedGentry@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
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- GoodEye8@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  
  Show me exactly where I defended the system. Show me a single line.
  
  You’re just leaving yourself a convenient back door to not tip while benefitting from tipping culture.
  
  Trying to guilt people into tipping
  
  But if you would like to go somewhere that expects tips, you better fucking tip
  
  Literally telling people to tip.
  
  If you go to a restaurant that expects tips and you don’t tip, you are keeping them in business while screwing over the person working.
  
  If nobody tipped at those restaurants nobody would work at those restaurants and those restaurants would have to either start paying livable wage or go out of business.
  
  I said if you don’t want tipping to continue, you can’t support restaurants that tip. It is the worst of all worlds.
  
  And I agree. I avoid going to such restaurants if given a chance. But if circumstances require going to such a restaurant do you really think tipping at that restaurant is less beneficial to the restaurant than not tipping?
  
  In that scenario you are perpetuating the system by participating in it. It’s a choice.
  
  If circumstances force me to participate then I should go all the way? Is that what you’re saying? So if a vegan orders a plate that happens to have meat in it then the vegan should eat that meat? After-all they’ve already participated by ordering something with meat.
  
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  - LandedGentry@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
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    GoodEye8@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    “If you don’t want to support tipping culture, don’t go somewhere that expects tips. But if you do happen to go somewhere that expects tips (regardless of how you end up going there) you absolutely must support tipping culture”.
    
    Now let me take your point into absurdity.
    
    “If you don’t want to support gun violence you shouldn’t own a gun. But if you happen to own a gun you should do a mass shooting.” That’s how your argument comes across to me. I have no issue with the first part of your argument, I do that. But I have an issue with the second part because that is defending tipping culture.
    
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