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MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

Marx never considered replicators much like he never considered sorcery as an option because he worked within the framework of the reality of his time. He was engaging in practical philosophy not fantasy which is why you see the focus on a class struggle as in his time.

The federation has no money and everyone has what they need according to their needs how isn’t that Marx’ ideal? If you could achieve socialism without revolution IRL he would have backed that but in reality you cannot hope for the privileged to give up their power.

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mechoman444@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I literally stated how it’s not Marxist… I’m pretty sure that I even proved it in my statement originally.

Marxist communism envisions a classless, stateless society where the means of production are communally owned. Post-scarcity could theoretically contribute to this, but Marxist thought emphasizes the historical process of class struggle and the eventual dissolution of the state. If a government still exists in your scenario, it may not fully align with Marx’s final stage of communism, which predicts the state “withering away.”

How do you read this and go no it is Marxist I’m right.

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- MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Again this is because Marx was concerned with reality. Science Fiction wasn’t even a genre to speak of in his lifetime. He might have considered non-violent tech driven communism had that been remotely conceivable at the time but during his time electrical power was rare.
  
  Marx was a huge influence on Roddenberry’s views of The Federation.
  
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  - mechoman444@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    just a quick gpt query. So no… He wasn’t.
    
    While Star Trek reflects some Marxist themes—such as the abolition of poverty, class struggle, and money—there is no direct evidence that Karl Marx was a foundational inspiration for Gene Roddenberry. Roddenberry was more influenced by mid-20th-century liberal humanism, secular progressivism, and the optimism of the Space Age rather than Marxist theory.
    
    The Federation’s post-scarcity economy resembles aspects of Marxist thought, but it arrives there not through revolution or class conflict but via technological advancement and social evolution. Moreover, Star Trek retains hierarchical structures (e.g., Starfleet’s chain of command), which contradict Marx’s vision of a classless, stateless society.
    
    While Marxism and Star Trek share some overlapping ideals, Roddenberry’s future is more in line with utopian socialism, liberal progressivism, and even elements of American exceptionalism rather than strict Marxist doctrine.
    
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    LengAwaits@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
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