Comment on China's new and cheaper magic beans shock America's unprepared magic bean salesmen

• millie@beehaw.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Your estimation of what constitutes “objective reality” is in fact the opinion that you’re being asked about.

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  • teawrecks@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Yeah, I understand that you personally choose to disagree with reality, maybe you don’t like what reality has become, but unfortunately that doesn’t make it less real.

    Twitter wasn’t profitable for its entire existence, it’s often a cesspool of ragebaiters, but clearly it has value because the second it was taken over, everyone insisted on continuing to use it, even choosing to migrate to various clones.

    Uber and Lyft have been struggling to be profitable by effectively stealing from their drivers, but millions of people get off a plane and immediately use the services every day. It clearly has value.

    Same for doordash and uber eats.

    Your personal distaste for the business practices are valid, but they’re not relevant when discussing what the current state of the technology is. For many millions of people, chatgpt has (for better and worse) replaced traditional search engines. Something like 80% of students now regularly use AI for their homework. When Deepseek released, it immediately jumped to #1 on the Apple Store.

    None of that is because they’re “magic beans” from which no value sprouts. Like it or not, people use AI all. the. time. for everything they can imagine. It objectively, undeniably has value. You can staunchly say pretend it doesn’t, but only if you are willingly blind to the voluntary usage patterns of hundreds of millions (possibly billions) of people every hour of every day.

    And for the record, I am not in that group. I do not use any LLMs for anything currently, and if anything makes me use AI against my will, I will promptly uninstall it (pun intended).

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    • LukeZaz@beehaw.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Yeah, I understand that you personally choose to disagree with reality

      You saying your opinion is objective reality does not make it so. I agree that LLMs have their (few, niche) uses, but you’re just being arrogant here.

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      • teawrecks@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        I have made only factual statements. You can believe I’m arrogant for doing so, you can believe the preference of hundreds of millions of people is “niche” or “few” in number. Those are called opinions.

        Which statements have I made that you believe to be my opinion?

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      • Eyekaytee@aussie.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        few niche uses? i think you’ll find it has heaps of uses that aren’t niche at all

        aussie.zone/post/16417192/14017352

        perplexity.ai is a better search engine than any current ones and that’s about as mainstream a use as you can get

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    • Zaleramancer@beehaw.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Hey, I wanted to say I’m sorry for using ambiguous language there. My time studying history has profoundly affected me, so I tend to use “Opinion” to mean “What’s your understanding and reasoned analysis of X thing?”

      The alternate implications slipped my mind when I posted. My bad!

      I wanted to say thanks for sharing your thoughts and I think we’re actually on the same page with regards to current AI technology. I do recognize that a lot of people are interested in using it, and that they will continue to highly value the functionality it has. My objections to it are, of course, related to secondary concerns and problematic social issues- which I think you understand based on your post.

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