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Eu regulations won’t save you when someone hacks philips servers and all of the data they’ve stored on you is captured by malicious actors. And whoops, it turns out they stored a ton more than they needed to, your address, your lighting schedule, how many rooms are in your house, names of users with access to your home, etc. and whoops, turns out they did the bare minimum to secure their servers and hacking them was basically as simple as knowing how to hack things

So terrible! What will the eu do! Be really mad at them and 8 years later sue them for 70 million dollars, which is 5% of their operating revenue. They will surely learn their lesson and definitely not continue doing the exact same thing without changing at all. But they’re really mad at them! And they can’t stop you from turning off the lights! Nice! Also they harvested all that data above and sold it to advertisers to make back the 70 million (and then some) so it didn’t even matter they got hacked, your info is easily available for like 24 cents

They definitely don’t flicker though until they’ve had a significant amount of use. But there are a lot of comparable bulbs for much cheaper that don’t cost nearly as much. Not all of those are “smart” though, but you can combine them with a smart product that’s much more consumer friendly (like lutron caseta) and then you’re good to go. Or just get a z wave bulb if you want a bulb that can do things like change colors/temperatures. Fuck philips, fuck compulsory “cloud” services”, and fuck the regulatory bodies that have utterly failed us because they simply don’t understand tech beyond basic connectors (or they’re paid not to, I guess)

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Dasus@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

And whoops, it turns out they stored a ton more than they needed to, your address, your lighting schedule, how many rooms are in your house, names of users with access to your home, etc. and whoops, turns out they did the bare minimum to secure their serv

I have literally no fucking problem with them knowing any of that — which they’re wouldn’t from my data.

Even if they recorded the actual signal strength of each bulb in relation to the Bridge, they wouldn’t know how many rooms I have. My naming scheme and placement scheme in the app does not reflect reality in the slightest, nor do the names of my devices. They’re half-arbitrary alphanumeric combos, like OH1 and CX2.

Hue having any of that data is far less scary than the potential of me getting stabbed on the way home.

Now, just to make sure you understand, I don’t agree with any of the data that probably is collected on me. But whilst I’d rather them not have it, it honestly doesn’t makena bit of difference practically.

Are you European or not? Just curious because if you are, do you always stop to refuse cookies, even “legitimate interest”? Do you avoid sites which don’t allow you to do that?

Or are not European and don’t even have the option?

Because I’ve genuinely spent literal hours in the past few years scrolling through the lists of hundreds of vendors to individually click them off.

But sometimes those popups are designed so you’ll accidentally click the accept all. And on occasion it has happened. So… what’s the practical difference?

Aa I’ve shown you, ideologically I do stand and act on the side of privacy. But do I really care or fear “malicious actors”?

Even if you had my every single password and id, you wouldn’t be able to harm me in any way. What are you gonna do, add money to my account? Improve my credit?

No.

The only malicious actors that I’m concerned with are the local police.

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- quixotic120@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  This is all besides the point. This is not a website. This is a product, that runs in your home, that was sold for years on the agreement that they would not be able to harvest this data (simply because I could run them without connecting to the internet). Now I still have that option of course, but I will eventually trade product updates to do so. It is a given, philips has said as much
  
  Also the data would likely include things like your wifi SSID and password (hopefully encrypted).
  
  It’s cool that you don’t care about your autonomy and privacy but the bottom line is companies like philips shouldn’t get to unilaterally get to make decisions that alter the tos over a decade later because people like you are apathetic. Some people have literal thousands invested into this ecosystem and many have hundreds, easily. Your apathy and people like you enables companies like philips to bully consumers and make consumer hostile decisions
  
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  - Dasus@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    
    that was sold for years on the agreement that they would not be able to harvest this data (simply because I could run them without connecting to the internet). Now I still have that option of course, but I will eventually trade product updates to do so
    
    So you’re saying “I’m eventually going to value updates to these products more than my privacy and my data, despite me having the option of not doing that, keeping my data, and still having the same functionality in the lamps they had when I purchased them”?
    
    I don’t know what your problem seems to be.
    
    It’s cool that you don’t care about your autonomy and privacy
    
    Autonomy. Yes. My autonomy is deprived from me because some random sweaty bro is crying online that companies are companies.
    
    So you’re gonna trade your autonomy and privacy for some pathetic updates on your lamps? It seems like you don’t care about your privacy.
    
    I do care about mine, but I’m not such a moron that I think that caring about it makes any difference on a personal level. I care about it because of the societal implications it has, not because I’m a paranoid incel who’s afraid of some random company having checks notes info on how many lamps of theirs I have at home.
    
    I have a wifi specifically for guests and shit devices that might need it. It doesn’t really matter who has access to it.
    
    Again, what is it that I’m supposed to be so afraid of? No-one can blackmail me on anything, I have no digital assets (even money) to steal.
    
    I’m politically on the correct side of this issue because I understand the consequences in the bigger picture. I don’t know if you even see a bigger picture, it just sounds like you have have paranoid delusions of being persecuted.
    
    Have you thought about seeing a mental health care professional to get checked out?
    
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