sapient_cogbag

@sapient_cogbag@sh.itjust.works

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨It's a good group!⁩ ⁨⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  I feel like we probably need to address the fact that, unfortunately, the rigid fix rules based world views of society are inherently appealing to those on the spectrum.

  I really really don’t think this is true at all, even though I agree that autistic people can be bigoted/fascistic (just like there are members of any other minority group that can do this). The whole “rules” thing, in my experience as an autistic person, is more a consequence of wanting to know how things are likely to be ahead of time (predictability, rather than valuing of “rules” on the basis of authority imposing them and wanting to submit to some authority - though of course that can also be the case but its not an autism thing and you see it in non-autistic people as well). This is in combination with some people viewing “the rules” as a determination of fairness (which is also common in non autistic people nya).

  This can appeal to some people’s ideas on ethics if they base them more on external structure rather than their own ideas of ethics. Which frankly seems rarer to me in autistic people than in non autistic people, though its still common.

  Not that I’m saying autistic people can’t be bigots or fascists and it may well attach itself to some of these other concepts, but I really don’t think it appeals to autistic people as a whole more, whatsoever.

  Combined with the fact that autistic people are very often treated horrendously by people around them due to arbitrary “social rules” and societal structures that punish people for being outside of the norm, and I think this is more likely to drive people away from supporting any system that is pro conformity (such as fascism). The other autistic people I talk with and am friends with (which is most of my friends xD nya) would suggest this, but of course that’s a very biased sample.

  Furthermore, a larger proportion of autistic people call themselves lgbtq+. Theres a good chance a lot of this is related to social factors preventing non-autistic people from examining themselves or coming out or similar, but it remains a true effect on whether on not someone considers themselves lgbtq+. And I suspect that that itself acts as a strong push for more autistic people to oppose fascist and other conservative ideologies.

  Definitely I used to be a big “”“rules follower”“” when I was younger, but it didn’t take me very long to realise that just because following “the rules” made certain things more predictable/cognitively-easy did not mean that the rules themselves or the system behind them was good in an ethical sense. Its made easier when rules hurt you or other people and when you can see the direct similarity between neurotypical social rules (which i often find ridiculous and I can’t actually even try-and-fail to smulate without it making me very depressed) and systemic rules.

  I think the actual main danger of falling to the fascists for autistic people is similar to how it is for non-autistic people - social isolation and the false acceptance of fascist spaces like much of 4chan, usually layered in enough irony that you can pretend they don’t hate autistic people and anyone different from societal norms because they also act like they hate themselves (which they may actually do - this also happens with trans people on certain 4chan boards nya) - often the people getting involved with this hate themselves for being autistic and view themselves as being inferior (or sometimes you get the autistic supremacy people or people who do the “ironic” superiority thing when they actually hate themselves).

  This can then of course act to make people “learn” bigotry via social normalisation and unexamined talking points which are often made up and always misleading, combined with the need for going along with it for pseudo-social-acceptance.

  Personally I’ve seen that a lot of autistic people are capable of deconstructing this stuff (if raised with it) when pointed to enough contradictory information, talking to people of different perspectives (as you’ve experienced yourself), and/or also given acceptance via other groups. Or just finding the internal contradictions all on their own, which I know more than one person who has done that without even needing much external input. But again, I have a biased sample in who I interact with.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Rishi Sunak says people ‘can’t be any sex they want to be’ in new swipe at trans community⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  We shouldn’t get bullied into believing people can be any sex they want to be. They can’t

  They can’t

  Sounds like a challenge for transhumanist tech to solve 😎✊⚧️Ⓐ💻.

  (Other people have covered the factual incorrectness here - the short of it is that (1) gender =/= sex and (2) “sex” isnt some monolithic thing but a complex, multi-axis thing itself - most of these axes are changeable to various degrees as well ^.^)

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Lockdowns and face masks ‘unequivocally’ cut spread of Covid, report finds⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  If they’d called it Dogs arse Flu you wouldn’t even comment.

  This is totally irrelevant?? It was a coronavirus, not a flu virus, which is why it’s not called as some kind of flu strain.

  P.S. Sar-cov2 is the alleged infection agent and not Covid19, which is a list of basic symptoms.

  It is the infection agent. Not the “”“alleged”“” infection agent. Also casual conversation and speech is a thing ^.^

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Lockdowns and face masks ‘unequivocally’ cut spread of Covid, report finds⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  I assure you i’m not capable of having been infected by a computer model, and I have absolutely been infected with covid-19 in the past.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Apple security updates could be banned by British government⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  The uk has a serious surveillance state cultural problem.

  And holy fuck is this dumb.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨No one really understands our struggle⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  “Left leaning landlord” is an oxymoron ;p

  Or at least if someone actually held to their principles, they would not remain both for very long ^.^

  (The concept of a separate ownership class, which is the defining feature of landlordism, is in direct contradiction with leftism, which at the furthest end pushes for the destruction of these sorts of hierarchical class systems, or at the very least attempts to abolish the gatekeeping and hoarding of base necessities like shelter)

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨The U.K. Government Is Very Close To Eroding Encryption Worldwide, the EFF says⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  Wish governments would stop trying this bullshit. I swear it seems to come up every few years. They just don’t seem to be able to accept the idea of people defending themselves against mass surveillance for more than a few years <.<