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- Comment on All of a sudden he thinks that it's a spectacular plan. 4 days ago:
Why wud u accept something as true tho if there is no opposing view. I can makeup anything and say since there is no else opposing view point, my claim is the truth. I say that outside of the observable universe its all turtles. That does not make it true just because there is no other evidence of anything. Its a debate about facts not what ifs.
- Comment on All of a sudden he thinks that it's a spectacular plan. 4 days ago:
Yeah exactly. Thats the point. There is no record of Aisha herself saying her age was 9 at marriage. Nor is there any hadith from medina (where the marriage took place) that mentions aisha age. Only more than a generation later, in Iraq, someone who has poor memory, claimed that he has “heard” from someone else that Aisha is 9. So there is no reason to believe him over anyone else. Its a babble. No one knows Aishas age for sure. Historians and timeline analysis say she was 19-20. Pedophiles and Islamophobes say she was 9. People can choose to accept whatever they want. There is no good debate.
- Comment on All of a sudden he thinks that it's a spectacular plan. 4 days ago:
That paragraph is supposes to highlight the difference between hadith from the prophet vs haditths that are just oral collections from diff ppl. The author is saying here that the hadith does not carry the same weight as other bukhari hadiths because its not attributed to the prophet and is merely an oral claim by hisham(someone who has memory issues) that “someone said that Aisha said she was 9”
You are quoting the ending parts of the article which have nothing to do with the original argument it presents and simply is there to cleanup and establish the new status quo, and these tiny “things” whatever you call them are meaningless in the context of the greater discussion.
The symbolic part is discussed all through the article (for eg age 40 as a symbol for being wise, and for extra info age 70 in islamic world is considered the timeline for eternity(sorry if I cant explain it well, english aint my first language, but for eg u say to smone like “bro why r u so weak, r u already 70yo?”)
You not liking it does not change the fact that ages were used a lot more for symbolism back then than the actual time since the person has been born. There were no objectively correct ways of knowing smones birthdate back then except for word of mouth (if ppl cared to remember, because islam uses the lunar calendar, its much more complicated to track birthdays and date than how we do today)
Why not quote some of the earlier longer parts about timeline inconsistencies and sectarian incentives, those are up for discussion.
- Comment on All of a sudden he thinks that it's a spectacular plan. 4 days ago:
Well you have a point. But I would suppose that the idea is child marriage was a very common thing even upto the last century, and is still common today in less developed parts of the world. Since no one considered it an issue, no one questioned the particular hadiths either. Also there is no “centuries of scholarship” done specifically on Aishas age, it was a hadith that everyone ran with because there were no reason for ppl to doubt it. And whatever scholarly work has been done have pointed strongly to the idea Aisha was not 9. (Even tho ibn-kathir, in the 1300s, ran into timeline issues and has reported about how Aishas age dont match up, and the timeline that he compiled suggested aisha was in her late teens. So it is technically mot even true that no one had any issues before the west pointed it out)
I find it weird that everyone is getting so defensive here, quick to calling it apologia and bullshit. You are allowed to believe whatever you want about Islam (or christianity, or religion itself). But what I was just trying to point out in my original reply that not all muslims especially in the west and academia today, agree or accept the fact Aisha was 9. Again many still do. But it does not really help that the excuse is used by Islamophobes all around the world. Its the same as quoting the worse parts of Talmud and calling every jew a violent person. Even though most prolly never though abt it and might be conflicted if u tell this, or outright deny its supposed to be taken literally, or contextualize whatever. You can say that is all apologia, so whatever really ig, at the end people just believe whatever they want to believe, and hurling insults and supporting them of promoting child rape is unlikely to bring a change in their worldview.
- Comment on All of a sudden he thinks that it's a spectacular plan. 5 days ago:
Not really. Saying there is ‘no debate’ isn’t actually factually accurate. While some traditional sources mention that age, there is a massive amount of historical and academic scholarship that suggests otherwise. The claim of age 9 have been used by bad faith actors on all sides. (Some fanatics to justify child marriage, and other fanatics who think their religion/group of people are superior to muslims in particular).
Here is a decent article explaining this if u wanna engage with it in good faith. There have been various debates on it and hadith is not considered accurate always, unlike the quran. The claim she was that young may have originated from sectarian divides among early muslims for whom virginity meant being “pure”. U dont really need to particularly agree with the claim that she was not 9yo as a total fact. The Bukhari hadiths saying she is 9 is very well accepted by a vast majority of rhe fundamentalist muslim word, but not everyone. Saying there is “no debate” at all is a factually wrong statement as well. And reduces all of a particular group of people as brainwashed fanatics who support the horror of child marriage.
- Comment on Change my mind 3 months ago:
You have ascended the mortal plane by then
- Comment on Change my mind 3 months ago:
Amendments welcome! I suppose those who argue in universities are even smaller brained…
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- Comment on Is lemmy dying? 4 months ago:
Its about the same as i remember it being like 2.5 yrs ago tbh, which is actually a good thing… it still feels very community like unlike reddit in which the amount of activity is just so insane that you cant really participate on major subreddits, and the amount of bots are just insane….
I think what happened with lemmy is that during the whole reddit API saga a lot of people were furious and hurried to any platform they found good, and specifically in lemmy… it started getting popular with a particular type of demographic which u see popular today, however there was also some courtesy and acceptance that was lost, there was a lot of “holier than thou” attitude going around which is actually a big part of the reason why i nuked my old and quite active account here (which i regret tbh coz i did have some very good discussions), but i think that ended up alienating a lot of people that might have chosen lemmy over alternatives during that time
As of now it seems pretty fine tho, the voices do seem a bit more varied or atleast nuanced, but people just no longer are rushing to quit reddit now, and the base seems stable, the upvotes comments i see now r the same i used to see 1.5 years ago…
- Comment on Are platforms like reddit just "internet noise" and bots or just genuinely the darkest parts of humanity? 4 months ago:
I would have to disagree, i dont really like every opinion here, it can get rather extreme, but there is a difference according to me over suggesting extreme action towards oligarchs, institutions which have hurt people etc etc (which is what i mostly see on lemmy) vs cheering on the death of innocent people just because they r of a different kind, although i should clarify here these extremist views are not that present is smthng like r/all but rather seems region dependent
- Comment on Are platforms like reddit just "internet noise" and bots or just genuinely the darkest parts of humanity? 4 months ago:
You are right that the european/US side of reddit is uhmm decently left leaning (apart from the strange fetish for israel, not sure how many of them are bots), but the indian side (the one which was the most prevalent in my feed) was absolutely horrifying; i perhaps should have made the distinction clear hehe in my original post
- Comment on Are platforms like reddit just "internet noise" and bots or just genuinely the darkest parts of humanity? 4 months ago:
Well i remember when i first made my first ever lemmy account like 3 yrs ago and that process of figuring out all the instances and federation thingy prolly filtered most binary thinkers out i suppose lol
- Comment on Are platforms like reddit just "internet noise" and bots or just genuinely the darkest parts of humanity? 4 months ago:
Fair.
- Comment on Are platforms like reddit just "internet noise" and bots or just genuinely the darkest parts of humanity? 4 months ago:
Actually i also left lemmy partly because it can get pretty black and white too, but honestly its much better than any other form of such platform rn tbh
Btw idk if u r confusing south asia with southeast asia but trust me when I say its not pleasant here lmao
- Comment on Are platforms like reddit just "internet noise" and bots or just genuinely the darkest parts of humanity? 4 months ago:
I was too young when 4chan was arnd lol, afaik /b/ was some unmoderated canvas or smthng right?
- Comment on Are platforms like reddit just "internet noise" and bots or just genuinely the darkest parts of humanity? 4 months ago:
I recently read an article though i forgot which outlet, which was about how israel funded sm crazy amt of money to manage its image on social media, seems pretty plausible considering how monotonous and repetitive pro israel comments are…
- Comment on Are platforms like reddit just "internet noise" and bots or just genuinely the darkest parts of humanity? 4 months ago:
I mean if you push me yes i can get how people might feel “polarized” by the ideas of “accepting” feminism, lgbtq, or other groups, but advocating to kill and destroy then, maybe its just me, but directly opposes human conscience, I am not exactly sure how can you cheer genocide when you actively see people suffering who are trapped in such situations
- Comment on Are platforms like reddit just "internet noise" and bots or just genuinely the darkest parts of humanity? 4 months ago:
Hmm, yeah ig it maybe a fair possibility that most are just agnostic, and get influenced by opinions that are propagated by a ridiculous amount of funding
- Comment on Are platforms like reddit just "internet noise" and bots or just genuinely the darkest parts of humanity? 4 months ago:
I would appreciate if u can clarify what u mean, but as far as my own understanding goes reddit and X themselves dont seem to actively remove posts/comments that dont adhere to a particular worldview/ideology, if i am not mistaken? Reddit relies on mods and i dont have much knowledge about X.
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