Submitted 2 years ago by Scruffy_Nerfherder@wolfballs.com to freeforum@wolfballs.com
If the USA nuked themselves to blame Russia, how would we know? Not like we would ever stage an attack on our own soil. That certainly never happened and as the recent pandemic showed, the Gov't is deeply concerned about our health... They did produce the miracle vaccine after all.
Does Israel have nuclear subs? It just takes 1. Not that our greatest ally would ever attack us to pull us into war - that certainly has never ever happened.
So (((hypothetically))) how would we know?
If the USA nuked themselves to blame Russia, how would we know?
Like if the US decided to blast San Francisco in order to start a war?
This wouldn't work because the only response would be immediate full nuclear counterattack.
More likely we'd sink a Lusitania or Maine and blame Putain.
Good point. Also if we nuked San Francisco, the resulting fallout cloud would carry Hepatitis and Herpes to at least 27 other countries.
I am imagining a giant AIDS miasma sweeping over the globe, leaving soyfruity rainbow pajama boy types in its wake.
We wouldn't.
Any conflict/war is also a war of information. No matter what is presented as news or stories from any source, chances are it serves an underlying motif i.e. propaganda. That's why I simply don't trust any news and basically ignore them as much as possible.
Free news is motivated by profit, controlled news by the state. Both are propaganda of one sort or another, telling people what they need to believe instead of what is real.
1984 stuff
Would not matter. The amount of nukes in US/Russia is enough to destroy the world a few times over. Russia has a dead man's trigger that will launch every nuke even if we kill their whole military. Not to mention the 2nd strike from their Subs.
Sun would be blocked by dust in the atmosphere. Crops would die. Survivors starve. The end.
The other questio is, how quickly could you know - i.e : would it matter? Presumably rational self interest keeps people from deploying such weaponry.
squashkin@wolfballs.com 2 years ago
this is kind of an unspecific problem of knowledge in general, there's gaps between claims that can be difficult to clear doubts over
like with corona, I still can't tell if it really exists, if people really died from it, if it's still around, etc. since the impact has been indistinguishable from flu or other disease rates and deaths and the effect of panic of telling people to believe it's a real thing.
Sometimes however lies are only able to make so much sense, because like with a nuclear attack, you might be able to gather evidence to suggest where the bomb came from (couldn't claim it flew from russia if there was no recorded flight path, and if they smuggled it in then there are questions how that would happen and who would be involved and everything - you might be able to gather evidence to refute claims of external attacks)
mayonesa@wolfballs.com 2 years ago
Did you read Don Delilo White Noise yet? It's a good time. Hint: it's apropos on the fucking nose.
Anyway, SARS-Cov2 seems to exist, but it's a coronavirus, which means a different wrinkle on the flu. I shrugged it off in a few days as did most people that I know.
I think a lot of it, just like with the regular flu, depends on how tired you are when it hits you.
squashkin@wolfballs.com 2 years ago
I never ended up reading white noise, may have read a little bit of it. did read the synopsis and re-read it right now... it is uncanny how some of those things in the book are happening today, but in different ways than the author wrote about them maybe.
iamtanmay@wolfballs.com 2 years ago
I and my gf got COVID 3 weeks ago. Its.... different. Not severe, but it lasts really long. Was sick for two weeks, and still have migraines from it. Same with the gf.
Our friend's 55 yr old dad got Covid in hospital and died. The only C19 death I personally know.
squashkin@wolfballs.com 2 years ago
Not saying you're wrong but what would make you believe either of these are not pneumonia, bronchitus, flu, etc.?
My bias is to be skeptical after having seen a lot of things be faked or absurd things have been said. I know someone who "died from covid" who was 80 years old... ok, I'm pretty sure people die of the flu at that age? Been hard to distinguish the differences.
Since we think c19 was likely released, is the theory, that also seems kind of unlikely, as it can end up harming the people who want to release it for their gain. So, it made me doubt it was released - seems easier to just lie and say that it's a thing when it's not.