In a 2009 interview with the New York Times Magazine, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg described Roe as having been a decision about population control, “particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of.” It is unclear whether Ginsburg was endorsing this eugenic motivation or merely describing it—though in 2014 Ginsburg told Elle in the context of abortion that “it makes no sense as a national policy to promote birth only among poor people.” Either way, Ginsburg correctly realized that, at least for some, the legalization of abortion would function as the next tool in a larger campaign to reduce the population, particularly the population of undesirables.