Thursday SOTD Thread - March 7th, 2024

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• sahenders@sub.wetshaving.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Mar 7, 2024 - MM24 4th Match-Up: DG vs. ZM

  • Brush: Trotter Handcrafts Space Portal 25mm Mühle STF Knot
  • Razor: EldrormR Industries MM24 #MMarch24
  • Blade: Personna GEM PTFE [7]
  • Lather: Zingari Man - Amir - Soap
  • Post Shave: Southern Witchcrafts - Labyrinth - Aftershave (Alcohol Free)
  • Fragrance: Lattafa Perfumes - Bade’e Al Oud (Oud for Glory) - Eau de Parfum

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  DG and ZM both have great bases, with ZM slightly leading with the extra skincare ingredients. Both collaborate with incredible perfumers, and they both create excellent scents of their own.

  The shave today really came down to Yuzu or Oud. I had laid out DG’s Y/R/P and ZM’s Amir to decide which one to use. Both prominently feature beautiful Rose and Patchouli scents, so it was the darker Oud that hit me just right this morning.

  This match-up was a really tough choice.

  Rating: 4.5/5

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• walden@sub.wetshaving.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  March 7, 2024

  • Brush: Maggard 24mm Synthetic
  • Razor: EldrormR Industries MM24
  • Blade: Personna GEM PTFE (6)
  • Lather: Barrister & Mann/Zingari Man - Nocturne - Soap
  • Post Shave: House of Mammoth - Santa Noir - Aftershave
  • Fragrance: Stirling Soap Co. - Varen - EdT (#MMarch24)

  Prepare yourself for a hot take - both of these brands aren’t really my cup of tea. Scott just isn’t my type of guy, and then there’s the whole “You named your brand after a marginalized people”, which I honestly can’t really take sides on. Sure, it’s bad to say “I got gypped”, but Heather never said that. On the other hand, I’ve seen other well-liked artisans call things retarded without being publicly reprimanded for it.

  I tried to use other brands that are named or themed after groups/places with some history of being marginalized. Mammoths were hunted to extinction, and Stirling Soap Co. is named after a place in Scotland. I could have also used Southern Witchcrafts but I had to draw the line somewhere!

  For the record, I’m neither here nor there about the Zingari branding, although sometimes there are certain soaps that make me scratch my head. I know Heather isn’t referring to slave owners, but maybe don’t use “Master” if your brand is already under scrutiny by a big group of wetshaving gatekeepers.

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  • djundjila@sub.wetshaving.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You named your brand after a marginalized people

    That’s missing the point. It’s named after a racial slur used to refer to a marginalised people. Important difference.

    Stirling is named after a locality, not an insult for us inhabitants

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    • walden@sub.wetshaving.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      My references to other brands were tongue in cheek, but maybe still in bad taste.

      I keep hearing people say it’s racist, but I can’t find anything on the internet about it. All I can find is that in Italy it’s sometimes used as an offensive word, but it also just means “Gypsy/Roma” or is used to describe someone who likes to travel. Being an American, I have no reference to how the word is used in other parts of the world, but all of the articles I can find don’t paint the same picture as what people are saying on Reddit.

      Words can have multiple meanings and it heavily depends on the intent.

      Maybe I’m naive, but is it similar to “gringo”? I’ve been called gringo while traveling and it doesn’t bother me, but at the same time that word can be used as an “offensive” word.

      There are 4 businesses within 50 miles of me that use Zingari or Zingaro in their name. It’s not done to be offensive.

      Antônio Carlos Jobim, a very talented and respected musician, write a song called “Zingaro”. Again, not offensive.

      There’s an opera called “Zingari”. Again, not meant to be offensive in that case.

      The word Zingari simply isn’t used in America (aside from the restaurants that popped up in a search), so if someone is searching for what to call their soap business and is presented with the same Google results that I’ve seen… I see nothing wrong with it.

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