Comment on Is it time to start a campaign against kernel-level anticheat?

• atrielienz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  That doesn’t really track here. My reasoning is simple. They are requiring access to something they didn’t initially make public or allow an informed decision on, and they did that on purpose. While I don’t currently own or buy games that have kernel level anti-cheat, that doesn’t make the obfuscation any better.

  I actually have not pressed the install button, not have impressed the purchase button. However, I also want you to look up the phrase “eat cake and have it to” and figure out what you mean. I’m buying the cake. I’m buying the fork to eat the cake. Neither the cake company nor the fork company should be able to tell me what to do with the product from the other company. You don’t have to agree with my stance, but understand that this is the argument that I am making.

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  • Atomic@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    People need to take responsibility of their own machines.

    While they might not hold out a sign that says “KERNEL LEVEL ANTI CHEAT”. There is information available to make an informed decision.

    Your cake and fork argument makes no sense at all. The game company isn’t telling you what you can and can’t do with your hardware. But they are telling you what you will be installing. It’s there if you know where to look. And if you don’t know where to look. You have the combined knowledge of the world at your fingertips for guidance.

    I don’t know what you do. But when I buy a cake. I look at the ingredients to see what and how much it contains of various things. If I don’t like what I see, I won’t be buying it. Because I certainly won’t be eating it.

    And I’m also not going to buy a plastic fork to eat it with. See how I made that decision. The cake company didn’t make me buy a certain fork, and the fork company didn’t make me buy a certain cake. I decide.

    It’s ultimately your responsibility to understand what you are installing. Information is available.

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    • atrielienz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      You did not read what I wrote in my response and it shows. I have taken responsibility for my machine. I don’t buy games with kernal level anti-cheat. I specifically view them as an attack vector for malware. They started the cake vs fork argument and my response was directly related to them using such a poor expression for the context of the conversation we were having and therefore it took that to its logical conclusion based on the argument they made.

      Since you didn’t read and decided to downvote I am choosing to not discuss this with you further, having vetted the ingredients of your cake. Have a good day.

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      • Atomic@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        I read your comment. I didn’t downvote.

        I’m using the “you” in the colloquial sense, i see that wasn’t apparent to you. (You as in you the singular individual)

        I understand you are against kernel level anti cheat. That’s ok. That’s an opinion. But your argument that it’s some kind of secret which games have it or not, is not a matter of opinion. It’s verifiable. And It’s just not true. It’s not a secret. You can easily find out if you want to.

        You can make the argument that platforms should make publishers divulge that information on the games page. And I say sure, why not.

        But it always will be your responsibility to make sure you know what you’re installing.

        Unfortunately. It is an armsrace against cheaters. And 1 single cheater can easily ruin the entire experience for hundreds of players. I understand why games might want it. I hope they can find more clever ways of detecting cheats without it.

        As a final word. Lemmy is a big place. It’s utterly ridiculous of you to assume I’m the one who downvoted.

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