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ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

None of those excuses justifies voting for a clearly insane man. You don’t look at a normal person and a guy screaming about eating cats and say “that cat eating guy is who should have the nuclear codes”. It’s fucking moronic.

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octopus_ink@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
And half of it is either not true for me personally, based on some hefty assumptions even if applied generally, etc…

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- normal_user@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  Which of the points do you feel are not correct ?
  
  Could you elaborate on it ? Otherwise I can’t really motivate and explain them.
  
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  - octopus_ink@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    It’s OK, your explanation is not required.
    
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    normal_user@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    I mean, you joined in on people having a discussion/debate on why Kamala lost, said some of the points are not valid and then refused to explain which point or why.
    
    I guess you do you but we are still left wondering what could possibly be wrong about the original message for you.
    
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normal_user@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Neither Kamala Harris nor Trump should ever have access to nuclear codes !

Let’s remember K.H. literally said she wanted to start a new war with Iran and that she wanted the “most lethal army in the world”.

You fell for the Dems propaganda so hard you literally can’t see how both of the main runners for the elections were crazy far right candidates. There is no substantial distinction in foreign policy between Kamala Harris and Donald Trump so neither of them should have access to nukes, not voting for any of the two parties is the only logical conclusion.

The only reason why the good 3rd party candidates are not electable is because of people like you that will blindly follow the Dems on their descent into fascism. The US does not need two Republican Parties, so stop supporting and justifying the second one. Go out and start building support for an actually good party, that’s the only way to save the country from fascism. Not voting for the Democrats.

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- ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  
  Let’s remember K.H. literally said she wanted to start a new war with Iran
  
  Citation fucking needed.
  
  she wanted the “most lethal army in the world”.
  
  That has been the explicit US policy of the US regardless of leadership for 80 years.
  
  If you think Harris and Trump are equally crazy, YOU are the one who needs psychological treatment. Trump literally wanted to nuke a hurricane, pulled us out of our nuclear deal with Iran, encouraged the US to develop and test “low yield” nuclear arms, and encouraged South Korea to build their own nukes. Harris along with Biden has simply continued the standard nuclear deterrent policy the US has followed for decades in spite of the first direct nuclear threat by another country since the Cuban Missile Crisis.
  
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  - normal_user@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    About the first one, I guess it was actually Tim Walz that, when asked if he supported a preemptive strike on Iran, replied that Israel has a right to expand itself and that he would back Israel since it is a US ally unlike what he thinks Trump would do.
    
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMIEaiS88pI
    
    And Tim Walz is who Kamala Harris chose as VP, so let’s not joke around and pretend Harris would have disagreed with any of this. The Democratic party was always the fascist party but with “the mask on” as opposed to the Republican Party which is “mask off”
    
    But also, while less literally, Harris did say this (and I’m quoting):
    
    <About the first one, I guess it was actually Tim Walz that, when asked if he supported a preemptive strike on Iran, replied that Israel has a right to expand itself and that he would back Israel since it is a US ally unlike what he thinks Trump would do. www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMIEaiS88pI
    
    And Tim Walz is who Kamala Harris chose as VP. Which says a lot.
    
    But also, while less literally, Harris did say that (and I’m quoting an article linked below):
    
    “Diplomacy is my preferred path to that end, but ALL OPTIONS are on the table,” she added.
    
    Harris, the Democratic presidential nominee, also lambasted her opponent, Republican nominee and former US President Donald Trump, arguing that he was not tough enough toward the Iranian threat.
    
    “I am clear-eyed. Iran is a destabilizing and dangerous force,” Harris said. “When Donald Trump was president, he let Iran off the hook. After Iran and its proxies attacked US bases and American troops, Trump did nothing. And he pulled out of the nuclear deal without any plan, leading to an unconstrained Iranian nuclear program.”
    
    “On the other hand, our administration struck Iranian proxies in Iraq and Syria when they attacked American troops, and we are the first administration to ever directly defend Israel”>
    
    algemeiner.com/…/kamala-harris-vows-do-whatever-n… timesofisrael.com/harris-to-jewish-voters-all-opt…
    
    At the end of the part I quoted from the article she is literally celebrating about having strikes Iranian proxies already. Let’s remember that Israel striked an Iranian embassy, which is considered an act of war.
    
    …wikipedia.org/…/Israeli_airstrike_on_the_Iranian…
    
    But kamala Harris has supported, is supporting and would have supported all of this, because she sees Israel as an important proxy of the US in the middle east. And the white house uses Israel to project it’s power against the Arabs countries and destabilize them. This is why she was never going to end the Genocide in Palestine.
    
    Also, your only excuse for the fact that she wanted the “most lethal army in the world”, is that the previous Dems also wanted this ( like obviously, she is from the same party as them, what I’m saying is that that is actively bad and should be a red line, an army should only be defensive, this is not what she was implying if you go back and listen to the DNC speech) and Republicans as well. Again, supporting 100% Hitler because another candidate is 101% Hitler is not that great of a talking point like you think it is. Actually on this particular issue both candidates are the same level of “Hitlerite”. That’s the party you support, and because you support it, you completely oppose the development of any 3rd party that would not have this crazy warmongering policy.
    
    To end for now my reply, a candidate that supports the foreign nuclear weapons policy the US followed in the past decades is actually a huge negative because the world has never been more tense (as you seem to notice as well in your comment). That policy is getting us closer to nuclear war and you think it’s good that Kamala Harris wanted to follow it !? Again, she is just being the fascist with the mask on, instead of being mask off like Trump.
    
    And just to remember you, I do not support Donald Trump, I never did and never will.
    
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    ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    Walz supports Israel making a preemptive strike on Iran, not the US. At no point did he or Harris say they would use US troops in an offense against Iran.
    
    The Democratic party was always the fascist party but with "the mask on
    
    Not anywhere close to reality. The democratic party in no way meets the definition of fascism.
    
    "Diplomacy is my preferred path to that end, but ALL OPTIONS are on the table,” she added.
    
    So the same as literally every president ever.
    
    he was not tough enough toward the Iranian threat.
    
    He cozies up to all the dictators because he wants to be one, so yeah he wasn’t tough enough. He let them out of their treaty which was preventing their atomic weapons research. Keeping nukes out of the hands of an authoritarian theocracy is a good thing.
    
    This is why she was never going to end the Genocide in Palestine.
    
    Except she and Biden have been pushing for peace nonstop.
    
    Meanwhile Trump said he would encourage Israel to “finish the job” which means kill them all.
    
    an army should only be defensive
    
    The best defense is to be the most lethal army so nobody wants to fight you. That has been US policy for BOTH parties since WW2. It’s a good policy because it keeps us out of wars.
    
    That policy is getting us closer to nuclear war and you think it’s good that Kamala Harris wanted to follow it !?
    
    The policy for Democrats in past decades has been mutual disarmament of nukes. Trump wants us building more.
    
    Again, she is just being the fascist with the mask on, instead of being mask off like Trump.
    
    Again, you need to look up the definition of fascism because Harris in no way meets it.
    
    And just to remember you, I do not support Donald Trump, I never did and never will.
    
    If you didn’t vote for Harris, you did support Trump.
    
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