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• Rekorse@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Well, your graph could just as easily support my position as it could go against it.

  I see a line that could be higher if not for the personal choice of a collective of vegans, vegetarians, and generally healthier people.

  You see proof vegans aren’t making a difference. Where’s your proof that the line is unaffected by vegans? Do you have anything else that proves being vegan is an effort in futility?

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  • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Well, your graph could just as easily support my position as it could go against it.

    no, it’ can’t. this is an unscientific claim.

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    • Rekorse@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s a graph. It doesnt interpret itself. It doesnt really do anything on its own.

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      • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        it can only support your position if you could prove your counterfactual, which you cannot.

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  • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Do you have anything else that proves being vegan is an effort in futility?

    i’ve never said that. i think if you want to avoid animal products, then doing so is its own reward. but if you want to decrease animal slaughter, it’s ineffective.

    i suggest that you go where animals are being slaughtered and stop it.

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    • Rekorse@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Reducing animal suffering is the goal. And putting myself in prison wouldnt help anything. Also I doubt american prisons would give me a vegan diet anyways.

      The goal is similar to cigarettes. Regulation came about once the general public became aware of the health risks for even non smokers.

      Right now its not as well known by the general public how unhealthy diets that are heavy in meat can be.

      By being vegan, and making it more normal for those I interact with, it shows broadens what people know about it.

      I’m personally banking that americans are so selfish they will reduce meat consumption purely for health/cosmetic reasons alone, like to avoid heart disease or to lose weight.

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      • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        putting myself in prison wouldnt help anything.

        i didn’t say you should be in prison. i suggested a way you could actually stop animal slaughter.

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  • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I see a line that could be higher if not for the personal choice of a collective of vegans, vegetarians, and generally healthier people.

    you can’t prove a counterfactual. but it is a fact that vegans exist, and the chart continues to rise.

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    • Rekorse@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      How many would have to be vegan before youll admit it would affect the supply of meat? 75%? 90%? Is there just a crossover point for you or you think if noone ate meat that graph would still go up?

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      • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Is there just a crossover point for you or you think if noone ate meat that graph would still go up?

        i honestly don’t know. i do know vegans exist, and i suspect there are more now than ever, but the line still goes up.

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