Nice strawman, strawberry. The point is that avoiding honey to reduce possible harm is vain at best.

But since you want to talk about meat, I’m curious about your opinion of hunting.

Do you know how animals die in the wild? The lucky ones get hit by a car and die instantly. The rest die from disease and starvation, both agonizing slow deaths, or they are literally eaten alive by predators.

If the aim of veganism is to reduce animal suffering, surely you would support ethical hunting, right?