Which ones? There are plenty of rich working class people that I consider comrades. The issue we socialists have isn’t income, the issue is class, which is quite different.
Your class is determined not by your income but by how you receive your income. A working class person makes their income by selling their labour to a member of the bourgeoisie (capital-owner), whereas a member of the bourgeoisie makes their income by stealing the surplus labour from a member of the working class.
There are working class people that can make quite a bit of money. Athletes and actors for example. Although in many cases once people make that kind of money they also become bourgeoisie by investing it in passive income such as landlording or stocks, that is not true of all of them and is very much something that should not be assumed.
Generally you are correct that a certain level of worth is unobtainable without being a horrible human but not always. As I said, there are many athletes who are working class despite earning many tens of millions.
You should focus less on their total income and more on how it is made. Class is what matters, and while class generally forms along the lines of rich vs poor this is a reductive simplification of marxist thought.
I mean… Herrenknecht has a revenue of roughly 1.2bn Euro, value is estimated at 800mn. Sure he hired tons of people and he’s conservative, but Martin Herrenknecht legitimately built that thing, both the engineering and business side and seems well-liked enough by his employees.
And if we wants to drive a Porsche and live in a mansion I’d say fucking go for it. Now, OTOH, inheriting that kind of thing… Herrenknecht Junior practically grew up in the company and is a natural candidate for leadership, the company is now owned by a family foundation and there’s where my issues start: We’ll have a dynasty, profit gets siphoned off and paid out to the family. Would’ve much rather see them go the way of Bosch or Zeiss which are actual foundations, similar setup to e.g. Mozilla.
Awoo@hexbear.net 1 year ago
Which ones? There are plenty of rich working class people that I consider comrades. The issue we socialists have isn’t income, the issue is class, which is quite different.
Your class is determined not by your income but by how you receive your income. A working class person makes their income by selling their labour to a member of the bourgeoisie (capital-owner), whereas a member of the bourgeoisie makes their income by stealing the surplus labour from a member of the working class.
There are working class people that can make quite a bit of money. Athletes and actors for example. Although in many cases once people make that kind of money they also become bourgeoisie by investing it in passive income such as landlording or stocks, that is not true of all of them and is very much something that should not be assumed.
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tsonfeir@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Do consider a person with $500,000,000 USD to be a comrade?
There is a certain level of worth that is unobtainable without being a horrible human.
Awoo@hexbear.net 1 year ago
It depends entirely upon how it is obtained.
Generally you are correct that a certain level of worth is unobtainable without being a horrible human but not always. As I said, there are many athletes who are working class despite earning many tens of millions.
I very much consider Muhammed Ali a revolutionary comrade for example.
You should focus less on their total income and more on how it is made. Class is what matters, and while class generally forms along the lines of rich vs poor this is a reductive simplification of marxist thought.
barsoap@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I mean… Herrenknecht has a revenue of roughly 1.2bn Euro, value is estimated at 800mn. Sure he hired tons of people and he’s conservative, but Martin Herrenknecht legitimately built that thing, both the engineering and business side and seems well-liked enough by his employees.
And if we wants to drive a Porsche and live in a mansion I’d say fucking go for it. Now, OTOH, inheriting that kind of thing… Herrenknecht Junior practically grew up in the company and is a natural candidate for leadership, the company is now owned by a family foundation and there’s where my issues start: We’ll have a dynasty, profit gets siphoned off and paid out to the family. Would’ve much rather see them go the way of Bosch or Zeiss which are actual foundations, similar setup to e.g. Mozilla.