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• Awoo@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I am 100% certain that if you compared socialist countries today you would get the same result.

  This is extremely obvious when you consider that despite obviously lower levels of development in countries like China, Cuba and Vietnam have higher life expectancy than America.

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  • tsonfeir@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Life expectancy is your way to determine successful?

    I’m not sure i’d really consider any of those places a good place to live. China is pretty crazy and jails people for talking about Winnie the Pooh. Is that your idea of government?

    Cuba and Vietnam also have lower life expectancy than the US.

    …wikipedia.org/…/List_of_countries_by_life_expect…

    Look at Hong Kong kicking ass at #1 though. (Not exactly communist with all that love for the free market)

    I think your info might be a bit out of date at this point.

    But thanks for the chat.

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    • Awoo@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Using wikipedia is dogshit, stop using it.

      The World Bank data is here, which is the same data used in the study: datatopics.worldbank.org

      The actual current data is:

      USA: 77.28

      Cuba: 77.57

      Vietnam: 75.38

      China: 78.08

      Look at Hong Kong kicking ass at #1 though.

      Hong Kong is not a country. Individual cities are not good examples of life expectancy when life expectancy of cities typically outperforms life expectancy of rural regions due to quick access to medical facilities afforded by density. This is why you really shouldn’t rely on Wikipedia for your understanding of anything. You should go to primary sources yourself instead of allowing editors to curate and present information for you.

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      • tsonfeir@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Worldbank.org

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        I don’t get the irony. Your data is either not found or decades old. Then you shut down Wikipedia, which has sources cited.

        I can make an image to display whatever info I want. Your sources are poor, or biased.

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    • robinn2@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      China is pretty crazy and jails people for talking about Winnie the Pooh.

      Complete BS. Here’s an exhibit on “The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh” in Shanghai Disneyland. It’s absurd that this is the only nonsense you can muster to justify China’s higher life expectancy (even given semi-colonial subjugation).

      Cuba and Vietnam also have lower life expectancy than the US.

      Cuba is a tiny country that has been massively sanctioned by the largest imperialist nation on earth (the US) for 60 years (after they defeated the U.S.-backed dictator Batista and stopped being a sugar colony of America). It seems that according to the World Bank (super unbiased lmao, and yes this is the same organization sourced in your Wiki article), Cuba’s life expectancy is ~73 while the U.S. is ~76. Personally, given the huge gap in development compared to the two countries, and that Cuba has not engaged in imperialism once whilst the U.S. is known for such things, this small difference is relatively impressive for Cuba and makes you look like a brainworm-infested child for implying a level playing field.

      I didn’t think I’d have to explain Vietnam’s history of colonial subjugation by the French and imperialist plunder by the French, U.S., and U.K., of which millions of Vietnamese were killed through bombing/being burned alive. History does not matter of course, so let us analyze their life expectancy: ~74 years, whereas the U.S. life expectancy is ~76. With all this in mind, a two year gap somehow justifies the inherent “superiority” of the U.S. system!

      Look at Hong Kong

      I’ve looked, and @Awoo@hexbear.net already gave an excellent response to this (which of course you ignore in your reply. Don’t act snarky unless you’ve earned it, and you haven’t earned it.

      “Socialism Always Fails”

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