Comment on My thoughts on Hexbear. Posting as the megathread was locked.

Zuzak@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

Enough debate about whether the persecution is true. I don’t want this post about Hexbear to devolve into an argument about whether the Uyghurs in China are being oppressed.

This is a pretty ridiculous thing to say, right after relitigating the whole discussion. You deny the genocide being carried out by Denmark against the Danes (which I just made up), but I don’t want this to devolve into a discussion about that so let’s just close it there. See how unfair that is?

That’s not how it works. You don’t get to lob accusations at us and then say we’re not allowed to defend ourselves from your allegations. This post is very much acting in bad faith and engaging in crybullying.

The fact is that you can plainly see in this user’s post how we’ve caused them to walk back their claims by raising legitimate criticisms. They’re now admitting that their primary (afaik only) source alledging genocide is a Nazi sympathizer, and now the criticism has changed from “Denying a genocide that is definitely happening” to "Being overly skeptical about the possibility that a genocide may be happening. This to me proves that we’ve raised valid points and don’t deserve to be deplatformed.

If I were debating someone who was denying the Holocaust, I would not have to move one inch, because the Holocaust is very well documented and well established. The homework has been done, the case indisputably proven, and the only people who deny it are Nazis and Anti-semites. But what OP is trying to do is to skip past the part where they actually have to collect that kind of evidence. The world they’re trying to build, whether they realize it or not, is one in which politicians need only say the magic word of “genocide” to rally everyone to support aggression - just like they did in Iraq. And we at Hexbear consider that to be an extremely dangerous norm to set.

Additionally, equating claims with dubious evidence to something well established as the Holocaust is a form of Holocaust trivialization, for which OP has been correctly called out for. Once again engaging in crybully tactics, they came to our instance and accused us of being equivalent to Nazis, and then when we turned it back around on them, they run off to teacher to whine about how it’s “a very serious allegation.” Don’t dish it out if you can’t take it.

I fully expect that posts like mine will be used as evidence that we’re hijacking the thread with political discussion. But this discussion is the primary reason why OP is calling for defederation. But despite this, they “don’t want this post about Hexbear to devolve into an argument about the Uyghurs.” Once again, they want to jump straight to the matter being settled without discussion or consideration of evidence.

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