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notceps@hexbear.net 1 year agoI get that you are lying to win the argument here and are just making shit up but no, it is incredibly well documented and looked at in incredibly boring books like ‘The Years of Hunger: Soviet Agriculture, 1931–1933 (Industrialisation of Soviet Russia)’ that literally digs through russian and ukranian archives and looks at seed data and is again incredibly boring but comes to the conclusion that the Soviet famine which I quote:
Our study of the famine has led us to very different conclusions from Dr Conquest’s. He holds that Stalin ‘wanted a famine’, that ‘the Soviets did not want the famine to be coped with successfully’, and that the Ukrainian famine was ‘deliberately inflicted for its own sake’. This leads him to the sweeping conclusion: ‘The main lesson seems to be that the Communist ideology provided the motivation for an unprecedented massacre of men, women and children. We do not at all absolve Stalin from responsibility for the famine. His policies towards the peasants were ruthless and brutal. But the story which has emerged in this book is of a Soviet leadership which was struggling with a famine crisis which had been caused partly by their wrongheaded policies, but was unexpected and undesirable. The background to the famine is not simply that Soviet agricultural policies were derived from Bolshevik ideology, though ideology played its part. They were also shaped by the Russian pre-revolutionary past, the experiences of the civil war, the international situation, the intransigeant circumstances of geography and the weather, and the modus operandi of the Soviet system as it was established under Stalin. They were formulated by men with little formal education and limited knowledge of agriculture. Above all, they were a consequence of the decision to industrialise this peasant country at breakneck speed.
Anyone should take some boring history book over ‘a family member of a friend person I know’.
fushuan@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Your source directly states that those policies were real and that they happened. Soldiers confiscating food before winter and leaving farmers without any is not anything your source is denying.
Cool, I’ll trust more my GF’s grandma that had to live throught it. Thanks.
notceps@hexbear.net 1 year ago
lol yeah sure bud, it went from ‘a family member of a person I know’ to my ‘GF’s grandma had to live through it’, which is something a person who is lying about this would do so uh congrats? Stop getting your history info from Jordan Peterson, actually stop watching Jordan Peterson and you might even get a real girlfriend.
fushuan@lemm.ee 1 year ago
my GF’s grandma had to live through it is literally a family member of a person I know, I didn’t want to explose too much info, and given your reaction, I shouldn’t have.
It’ seems like you have squared me as a white male American conservative (Jordan Peterson wtf…), so there’s no point in discussing it more. All I’m going to reveal is that I’m from Spain, and my partner was born in Ukraine, which I’m sure can be extracted from my post history so there’s no point in hiding that.
:) Anyway, have a nice day.
notceps@hexbear.net 1 year ago
Oh I get it you are more into Franco, please tell me how did that fictional encounter happen did your GF show up with her grandma one day and granny was like “you are her boyfriend let me tell you about…” because I have a good friend who’s grandfather fought in the spanish civil war only I didn’t find out about this through his grandma but him because this is the person I’m actually close to. That’s why I know you are a liar, you can pretend all you want and add all the modifiers but I doubt it matters at this point it’s not like you can back down from this extravagant lie.