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• petrescatraian@libranet.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  @jupiter_rowland Sounds like the option is confusing. Here the addons usually have a checkmark and the word "enable". Makes much more sense than "installing" something your admin already installed.

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  • jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    @Cătă Well, that's what it is. It's the wording chosen back when add-ons were renamed "apps".
    
    Basically, you "install" the "app" on your channel. It integrates the functionality of the "app" into your channel instead of just turning it on, and it adds or makes it possible to add links to the "app" to the navigation bar and/or the burger menu.
    
    I'm not a Hubzilla dev. But it could be a different case of how add-ons work. I guess add-ons on Friendica are integrated into your account right away, you just turn them on and off, whereas on Hubzilla, "installing" an "app" does not turn the existing functionality in your channel on, but it builds the functionality into your channel in the first place. Especially PubCrawl is something that digs deeply into how your channel works, especially how nomadic identity works.
    
    Don't forget that Hubzilla is not Friendica with nomadic identity and wikis and a different protocol. When Mike turned Friendica into Red, he re-wrote the entire backend from scratch.
    
    This wording may actually be as old as Red. Trying to have it changed now would be like complaining that identities plus content are named "channels" on Hubzilla (and everything that has come after Hubzilla) because the term "channels" is being used in different contexts by other projects nowadays. It'd be like complaining that Hubzilla, like Friendica before it, has its own term for a server instance instead of officially calling it an "instance" or a "server".
    
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    • petrescatraian@libranet.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      @jupiter_rowland yea, I know. Front-end-wise though the difference between the two words doesn't make any sense, as the addon/app thingie still has to be added by the admin for you to be able to use it (but that's my 2¢ I guess 😁).

      They are indeed two very complex and powerful projects and I'm glad they exist. Hope they take off even more like Mastodon and Lemmy did.

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      • jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        @Cătă
        

        as the addon/app thingie still has to be added by the admin for you to be able to use it

        
        They do come pre-installed on the server.
        
        Hubzilla is installed and upgraded using git. And in doing so, not only https://framagit.org/hubzilla/core is sourced, but so are always automatically https://framagit.org/hubzilla/addons and https://framagit.org/hubzilla/themes. All that stuff is on the server hard drive from the get-go.
        
        What the admin can do is activate and deactivate access to the addons. In the case of PubCrawl, it's activated after installation by default.
        
        It's not like the hubmin installs Hubzilla without PubCrawl, then clones an independent git repository containing PubCrawl into the Hubzilla server, and then goes to the admin interface to switch it on.
        
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• Regez@troet.cafe ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  @jupiter_rowland
  I listen to your conversation with interest because I have very little technical background...
  Are the add-ons more complicated to "install" than in Firefox? And what about Hubzilla's translation functions or German-language communities?
  @petrescatraian

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  • jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    @Regezi
    

    Are the add-ons more complicated to "install" than in Firefox?

    
    No, because "install" means "switch on" rather than "download to your server".
    

    • Have a Hubzilla channel
    • Be logged in on the Web interface (as if you had much of a choice)
    • Burger menu in the top right corner
    • Apps
    • Available apps
    • Look for the app you need (Pubcrawl, labelled "ActivityPub", should be at the very top)
    • Click "Install"
    • Enjoy

    
    

    And what about Hubzilla's translation functions

    
    It doesn't have any.
    
    

    or German-language communities?

    
    There are no dedicated Hubzilla communities. You simply connect with other German-speaking users, no matter whether they're on Hubzilla or Mastodon or Firefish or Friendica or wherever.
    
    Put "German" as a keyword/tag into your profile (there's a dedicated profile field for that, by the way), and you'll be suggested other German users.
    
    As for German instances, the two biggest hubs are German, and I think most of the top five hubs are German.
    
    As for Hubzilla forums, I only know six:
    

    • a Hubzilla support forum which is practically useless unless you're on Hubzilla (not even sure if it has ActivityPub on)
    • two mostly dead Hubzilla support forums which only come to life when a newbie has discovered either of them before the support forum
    • one forum for a kind of "inner Hubzilla circle", created to discuss the advancement and improvement of the Hubzilla ecosystem which is therefore only targetted at Hubzilla users again (pretty certain it has ActivityPub off, and it's invite-only, I guess)
    • one forum to discuss improving Hubzilla's documentation which is therefore only targetted at Hubzilla users again (pretty certain it has ActivityPub off)
    • one OpenSim forum which requires manual membership confirmation, but the admin hasn't logged in in years, so it's impossible to join the forum in the first place

    
    CC: @Cătă
    
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