Comment on Is the Federation "Communist" or Socialist?

• GarbageShoot@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  One needs to be careful with the word “liberal”, because it means very different things in different contexts (in large part due to political parties identifying themselves as “liberal”). In the stricter political-philosophical sense, liberalism is very closely tied with capitalism and the “freedom” to own things as private property (market allowing) and do what you want with it.

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  • MrSaturn@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Yeah the Federation has private property and individual rights, so we wouldn’t that be liberal?

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    • GarbageShoot@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Does the Federation really have private property? Are there landlords and business tyrants? Or does it just have personal property, things a person owns for their own personal use?

      Personal rights also aren’t monopolized by liberalism, as much as neoliberal media tells you it is so. Personal rights also existed in classical slave societies, under feudalism, and yes, under every Marxist state (I don’t know about the weirdo ““communist”” ones like Peru or Cambodia)

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      • MrSaturn@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        I mean ppl own businesses, land and houses. Is that not private property?

        I can’t think of any societies that emphasize individual rights that aren’t liberal

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    • buckykat@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      No, the Federation has personal property, not private property.

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• Hextubewontallowme@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Huh, do you exactly know exactly the term?

  To me, Liberalism is to capitalism, like Christianity was for western feudalism; a ideological framework that the ruling classes of its day uses to justify their existence

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