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Vietnam War started on a lie that a US Navy boat was attacked in Gulf of Tonkin.

I do not necessarily agree here. I think it started with the first advisers. The Gulf of Tonkin was just the touchstone to the military buildup, and involved an attack on the first day that was faked on the second. The US ships in question were radar surveiling the North Vietnamese coast, so an attack was... well, not unexpected.

The Patriot Act seemed to me to be related to 9/11 more than Afghanistan. Crises empower government.

The social media censorship has been going on for a long time.

No comment on Obama's drone wars except to say that I think they provoked a lot of resentment.

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iamtanmay@wolfballs.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
You may be right, I only know the overall timeline on Vietnam. I think the huge anti-war movement showed what Americans thought. Only 'popular' wars were WW II after Pearl Harbour and Afghanistan after 9/11. Presidents would not manipulate Americans if they were willing to go to war.

Yes, Patriot Act was due to 9/11, not Afghan War. I was wrong. I knew better. I don't know why I wrote that. CIA funded Bin Laden and Taliban extremists with Billions in weapons for proxy war with Russians. 9/11 could not have happened otherwise. Seeing as we are now funding another group of extremists with Billions in weapons to fight a proxy war with Russians, it feels like planned self destruction.

No. Social media censorship came in waves. There was none before Trump's win in 2016. 2020 the first big wave, Hunter Biden Laptop, Trump deplatformed, Election fraud. 2021 second big wave with Covid/Vax. 2022 Russia was deplatformed by Youtube, Fbook, Visa, Mastercard, Google, Apple etc. I shouldn't say Biden is behind censorship. He is a part of the larger agenda.

Obama bombed two American citizens without trial. Constitutional rights disappeared with the War on Terror

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- mayonesa@wolfballs.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
  
  There was none before Trump’s win in 2016.
  
  Not in my experience... it was just less blatant.
  
  I think the huge anti-war movement showed what Americans thought.
  
  Or some of them, anyway.
  
  I shouldn’t say Biden is behind censorship. He is a part of the larger agenda.
  
  Interesting.
  
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  - iamtanmay@wolfballs.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
    Really ? I thought that before 2016, you could post whatever lies you wanted and no one checked. I first heard 'Fact checking' during the 3rd Obama Romney debate in 2012, and online fact checkers by 2016 election. Fbook and others didn't rely on 'fact checking' before that.
    
    Or some of them, anyway. I think if war had popular support, politicians wouldn't need to lie all the time. I still think WWII and post 9/11 Afgh were the only times people were actually willing.
    
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