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• UraniumBlazer@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I got called a liberal for wanting to support cooperatives. I got called a liberal for not wanting to participate in an armed socialist revolution.

  I’ve largely seen the word “liberal” being used by tankies to dismiss the opinions of all people that they disagree with.

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  • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Did that happen here, or are you projecting that onto others?

    As for supporting cooperatives, you’d be a Market Socialist, so not a Communist, but not really liberal either.

    As for the question of Reform or Revolution, it’s pretty clear by this point that Reform might as well be impossible. Revolutionary Leftists would certainly love reform if it worked, but you can clearly see what happened to Allende the last time a Marxist won democratically. You can even see last night’s attempted coup in Bolivia against the Social Democrat Arce.

    As such, the majority of Socialists are Revolutionary, so you have more fringe views.

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    • UraniumBlazer@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Did that happen here, or are you projecting that onto others?

      If by “here”, u mean lemmy, then yes. They were hexbear ppl.

      As for supporting cooperatives, you’d be a Market Socialist, so not a Communist, but not really liberal either.

      Socialism is the transitory state to communism. I believe in the communist utopia and I believe that this cooperative kind of market socialism will lead us there.

      As for the question of Reform or Revolution, it’s pretty clear by this point that Reform might as well be impossible.

      I would disagree there. I would love to explain why, but I’m really tired right now to type much stuff out. Ik it’s a cop out. I’m sorry.

      As such, the majority of Socialists are Revolutionary, so you have more fringe views.

      Eh… Most socialists where I’m from have such views. MLs are in fact the rarity in my experience offline.

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      • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        If by “here”, u mean lemmy, then yes. They were hexbear ppl.

        I meant here, otherwise your comment wouldn’t make sense in context.

        Socialism is the transitory state to communism. I believe in the communist utopia and I believe that this cooperative kind of market socialism will lead us there.

        Socialism is only a transitional state towards Communism if you restructute the state entirely to eliminate the tendency for Market Economies to liberalize as competing elements monopolize. Coops are good within Capitalism but certainly aren’t the road to Communism themselves.

        I would disagree there. I would love to explain why, but I’m really tired right now to type much stuff out. Ik it’s a cop out. I’m sorry.

        That’s fine. If you want to read more, Luxemburg’s Reform or Revolution is a great essay on why the vast majority of Socialists and Communists are revolutionary.

        Eh… Most socialists where I’m from have such views. MLs are in fact the rarity in my experience offline.

        You likely live in an area with more liberals than Socialists, so the views of Socialists will trend towards those that fit the nicest with Liberalism, or pose the least danger to the status quo historically. That doesn’t make you a liberal, but at a global scale Marxist-Leninists make up the vast majority of leftists.

        Additionally, not all revolutionary Socialists are Marxist-Leninists. Anarchists, Ultraleftists, Syndicalists, Council Communists, and many Market Socialists are Revolutionary. Again, reading Luxemburg is a great path to understanding why that is.

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