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sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

Further helping the Chinese? Come TF on and get real. When did America ever help China? In fact when did America help anyone? America got greedy and has sucked all of the possible profit they could from American industry, when they decided to outsource it.

It started off as raw materials and then became wholesale manufacturing and China quickly became very good at making all the things you felt you were too good to make and then became very good at the things you needed them to make and now they’re just all round very good at doing all the things that you stopped doing so a handful of executives could have a larger bonus.

Help the Chinese? You’re drowning in your own shit and demanding China save you like you’re doing them a favour. America, the UK, let’s just say, the West in general needs China more than China needs us and its because of greedy CEOs and politicians who only see things in the short term. The idea that you’re helping China is your propaganda, it’s not reality.

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CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
And yet China still can’t make very good chips or CNC machines. That’s because fast development works by first picking up outsource work that’s simple, and then gradually moving to more complex types of value-added production. Without Western outsourcing, China would be economically like North Korea.

I have a feeling you’re on of those guys that thinks NK is Wakanda, though, so maybe that’s not as useful an analogy as I’d hope.

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- sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  Without Western outsourcing, China would be economically like North Korea.
  
  Would/Could/Should
  
  I have a feeling you’re on of those guys that thinks NK is Wakanda, though, so maybe that’s not as useful an analogy as I’d hope.
  
  Ad hominem attacks, really?! Have a good day.
  
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  - CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Am I wrong? Are you not part of the so-called “anti-imperialist” crowd?
    
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Scrof@sopuli.xyz ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
The notion that the West needs China more than vice versa is laughable. China is literally the biggest importer of Western goods and resources in the world including absolute dependence on American soybeans just to feed its population.

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jarfil@beehaw.org ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
For decades China had a “3rd world country discount” on international transport, meaning:

send from China = almost free

sent to China = normal cost + extra fee

Not just the US, but every “1st world country” has been helping China, in the hopes of integrating it into a capitalist system and disrupting whatever is going on in there.

…and it would have worked, if it wasn’t for China not just doubling down, but going bananas on authoritarian interventionism.
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