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iamtanmay@wolfballs.com 2 years agoWithout seeing the whole cost benefit anakysus spreadsheet on this, i can’t be sure.
You nailed it. We need to know what data justifies all this misery for the poor. Its the same govt opaqueness, inefficiency, corruption etc during Covid. The avg. age of Covid death according to ONS in January was ABOVE life expectancy, i.e. 83 years in 2021. In spite of this, there were all the heavy handed restrictions. This should tell you how bad govt is at making data driven decisions.
RE: modelling, you are aware of the SAGE controversy that broke ~3 weeks ago, where the modellers admitted to only making the absolute worst possible case, because the govt asked them, regarding Omicron. Climate modelling is the same, make the worst predictions, with a little '*' next to it and in the footnotes you find all the caveats, i.e. total bullshit. For example, a prediction that there would be a 10% decline in agricultural output by 2030, while the footnote says that there could also be a +45% increase.
I think govt always was this corrupt and inefficient. Its just the internet and smartphones allow us to experience this in real time now.
goldenballs@wolfballs.com 2 years ago
You are preaching to the converted with most of that.
I won't buy into the "covid modelling is bad therefore climate change modelling is bad" analogy. I work in this area, i get the data, i see the real shit, i know what the problems are. That doesn't mean i dismiss what you say out of hand, but i do have first hand exposure to this stuff. There are real environmental problems, but they are lumpier and more complex than presented. I do model-driven engineering for AI, i am aware of the limitations of models
iamtanmay@wolfballs.com 2 years ago
I am not saying researchers are incapable of ethical modelling. I am pointing out the intense corruption in the past 2 years, where SAGE modellers presented whatever the govt required to justify their insane decisions.
In "Climate science", there are 2 truths 1) The only "data" is the past. Everyone agrees on last 50 years temperatures and rise of ~1C. 2) All govt actions are based on extending trend line for the next 100 years. This is foolish. Even if we throw the world's GDP into climate modelling, you cannot account for the infinite complexities of our planet. Modelling is not "data". Its plugging a limited number of variables into an equation and hoping it simulates "everything" - horseshit
Not even getting into the predicted effects of a 1 - 2C increase, because that is all delusions
goldenballs@wolfballs.com 2 years ago
All that is true, but it is not insane to imagine that increasing the numbers of orofices on the planet, or excessively using plastics, won't have deleterious effects.
iamtanmay@wolfballs.com 2 years ago
You won't find anyone who disagrees with you on this. Nobody in their right mind wants to trash the planet.
The problem is that this has been turned into a circus, just like Covid, where media, activists and politicians are creating a panic and using it to rush through all kinds of insane policies that will hurt only the poor.