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• Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Checked it out and no, the jomon period ended around 300 BC. So while Alexander’s successors were fighting each other Japan had barely discovered agriculture

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  • CapeWearingAeroplane@sopuli.xyz ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yes: 300 BC is about 2500 years ago, which is roughly when the Jonson period ended.

    My point was that the reason agriculture had not spread to japan yet wasn’t because they weren’t aware of it, but because Japan was so resource rich that it wasn’t able to compete as a lifestyle.

    It’s well documented that the jomon culture traded with Korean farmers for centuries or even millennia before adopting agriculture themselves. This is an important reason for why they weren’t wiped out by disease when they came into contact with agricultural societies. Historical evidence also suggests that they were better fed than their agricultural neighbours in Korea and northern China in that period.

    In short: The reason Japan started developing e.g. metalworking much later than their neighbours wasn’t a lack of resources, but an abundance of them. Which led them to not adopt agriculture before neighbouring societies had developed it sufficiently far to become competitive. Technology and social stratification typically follow once agriculture is adopted.

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    • Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Then why are all their resources either inexistent or scarce? Did they use them all while still being in a voluntary state of prehistory?

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      • CapeWearingAeroplane@sopuli.xyz ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Yes and no: the resources that made Japan very viable for hunter-gatherer societies are very different from the resources that make an area viable for agricultural societies.

        Whereas agricultural societies value open areas and metal ore a lot, the jomon societies lived primarily off foraging and hunting in wooded areas. With the rise of agriculture, those areas largely disappeared, to the point where Japan was almost deforested.

        Seafood is also something Japan had a huge abundance of, but like most of the world, they overfished their stocks.

        For the “no” part: Resources like metal ore, coal, oil, waterfalls for hydropower, etc. do not make a hunter-gatherer society less viable, but can serve to make an already highly technologically developed society even more viable. The point being that although Japan had an abundance of resources making hunter-gatherer lifestyles much more viable than in most of the world, they can still lack in resources that are valuable to Iron Age and later societies.

        The result is that

        1: It took longer for agriculture to become a viable competitor against hunting/gathering in Japan.

        2: Once agriculture was adopted, the resources in demand were not in high supply (as they weren’t there in there in the first place).

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