Comment on [BBC Sounds] Helen Lewis has left the chat
steeznson@lemmy.world 1 month agoHer fairly normal opinions about trans inclusion in sports or whatever aren’t relevant to the topic being discussed
Comment on [BBC Sounds] Helen Lewis has left the chat
steeznson@lemmy.world 1 month agoHer fairly normal opinions about trans inclusion in sports or whatever aren’t relevant to the topic being discussed
JoBo@feddit.uk 1 month ago
I didn’t say they were. But people should be aware of who they are giving their clicks to.
steeznson@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I guess since the thread has been derailed might as ask - is this summation of her problematic behaviour accurate?
She’s not exactly JK Rowling.
Being against trans inclusion in sports puts her in line with almost every sports governing body. There’s a legitimate concern about inclusion on both sides in terms of representation of both women and transwomen in sports, so no resolution is possible that will keep both parties satisfied.
Additionally voicing skepticism about puberty blockers is exactly what the NHS has been doing in recent months.
It looks to me like she’s been singled out for being a centre left journalist who has opinions which deviate slightly from what she’s “supposed” to think. Also it was weird of you to bring up her race in the original comment - her being a white woman is orthogonal to the criticism you are making of her.
JoBo@feddit.uk 1 month ago
She’s very similar to JK Rowling, even if Jordan Peterson is as far as she’s got in her adventures with the far right so far.
You have an incorrect mental timeline on sports inclusion. Some sporting bodies have recently begun to introduce bans under pressure from conservative politicians desperate to distract the people they are pickpocketing. The stronger trend is for inclusion, because two years on gender-affirming care eliminates all the advantages a trans woman might have apart from extra height for those who went through a male puberty because they weren’t lucky enough to get puberty blockers early enough.
Laurel Hubbard: First transgender athlete to compete at Olympics
(Feel free to look up Hubbard’s performances before and after transition.)
One of the big tells with Lewis is her scare-mongering about trans women in women’s prisons. It has long been the case in the UK that women who are considered too violent to be housed in a women’s prison have been sent to men’s prisons. This applies to all women, cis and trans, and obviously includes trans women who have committed violent crimes against other women. People like Lewis seize on very rare instances where errors have been made to cause alarm and distress. Of course, they ignore the fates of trans women who have mistakenly been housed in men’s prisons without any of the protective segregation cis women in men’s prisons receive.
No idea why you think race and class are not relevant in a comment about her abuse of intersectionality. If you don’t understand, dictionaires exist.
steeznson@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Appreciate the detailed reply.
I kind of agree that the physical differences can be worked around in certain sports but I think I need to defer to the governmental bodies in most cases since they will have the best overview for what is relevant in that sport.
Do agree with the Rowling-esque fear mongering with cherry-picked examples being problematic. You see bigots do that for racism, homophobia, etc.
WRT the race comment, I’ve not read her book(s) so I was not aware that she endorsed intersectionality. If she does then your comment makes sense and your original point went over my head!
Was a mistake to go into the weeds on this topic to be honest. My original point was more that you can disagree with someone on one topic without it invalidating everything else they have to say. For example it’s a textbook ad hominen to claim something like, “David Hume is wrong about the existence of God because he was a racist” or similar.