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• CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  What have been reading? Pretty much the only place where the people magically, spontaneously organise is in political speeches. The Patriots wouldn’t have existed without guys like Jefferson, the French revolution was run by rogue military factions and exclusive political clubs, and the Leninists have it right in their name.

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  • melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Oh. Shit magical and spontaneous? So there’s nothing other than a master with a whip and a fucking wizard?

    Youve never been in a disaster, or started digging a hole at the beach, have you?

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    • CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      So there’s nothing other than a master with a whip and a fucking wizard?

      Kind of, yeah. The way I see it it’s a human limitation; we need a certain level of indirection to pull off anything bigger than a band of hunter-gatherers. Some systems are more whippy than others, though.

      Youve never been in a disaster, or started digging a hole at the beach, have you?

      Actually, yes I have, but never have I seen more than a handful of people get involved at once, and I never heard from that dude who started directing traffic again. I’ve also seen the bystander effect. Never in history. Maybe on the beach, but not in history.

      You’ve never tried to organise any kind of activism, have you?

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      • melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        So, the beach thing. Why does it happen, and why does it ‘not happen anywhere else’?

        Have you read ‘a paradise built in hell’?

        Did you read my point about believing in the existence of, but not favoring spontaneous organization. A deliberate but headless structure is possible! They’re actually really cool! Good thing too, because strict hierarchies are wildly inefficient and trend towards flattening the territory to match the map, which tends to lead to fascism.

        And if I believed it was only a fuhrer or a grand wizard, I’d fucking kill myself and take as many as I could with me. Thankfully I’ve seen (and executed) proof to the contrary.

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