Comment on Why do people hate TV shows like The Biggest Loser and My 600-lb Life?

• Truffle@lemmy.ml ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Yes, but also that weightloss from bariatric surgery comes with many unhealthy side effects:

  Dumping; calcium, Iron, folate, vitamin A, B1,B12,D malabsortion; malnutrition, ulcers, refractory late dumping; increased risk of postoperative abuse of alcohol; depression; anxiety; increased mortality from suicide (so much for decreased mortality for not being fat anymore); more risk of colorectal cancer; Barret’s oesophagus (premalignant condition for oesophageal adenocarcinoma), etc.

  So how come this is healthier for someone? Is it a case or choosing a poison? How come anesthesia is a risk for life saving surgeries for fat people but that risk evaporates when it comes to bariatric procedures? So which is it? “We want you thinner” or “We want you healhy”?

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  • derf82@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Dumping syndrome is avoidable by not consuming too much sugar. And it is not an issue for people that receive a gastric sleeve.

    Vitamin malabsorption is easily addressed with vitamin supplements.

    Most bariatric programs restrict patients from consuming alcohol for 6 months and more. The risk comes from transfer addiction, which also is an issue for all overeaters making changes.

    You know what else causes many of those side effects? MORBID OBESITY.

    This is absolutely healthier. My doctor recommended it for years and I finally went through it. The constant hunger is gone. I’ve give from being winded and in pain after walking a quarter mile to being able to walk several miles pain free.

    You know when I first saw my surgeon, he told me the same thing you said at the end: it isn’t about being thin, it’s about being healthy. Heck, he specifically said I’d never be thin.

    I tried to make changes for years, lost lots of weight multiple times, only to see it go right back on and then some. Every time it was harder. I needed something that would help keep it off. The best medical data told me surgery was the best bet for that.

    And I know what you are thinking: bariatric surgery is cheating, it’s the east way out. NOT ON YOUR LIFE. I had to lose weight before surgery. I had to meet with psychiatrists, cardiologists, pulmonologists, and nutritionists. I had to go on an extreme pre-surgery diet, then have only a liquid diet for 3 weeks, and soft foods for 5 more weeks. I get nothing with more than 5 grams of sugar for 6 months. And not one single cheat day is allowed or even possible. And that is aside from a painful surgery and recovery. It is no shortcut.

    It’s also worth noting it is only available to people with a BMI over 40 or over 35 with a significant comorbidity like diabetes. People that need to lose a few pounds cannot get it, it’s only people needing significant weight loss.

    So, to be frank, you have no idea what you are talking about. Being fat is unhealthy, but the best medical advice to reduce obesity you think is wrong. Guess people like me should just die?

    No, I think we should listen to our doctors, not judgmental people on the internet citing misleading facts. The research shows bariatric surgery has better, healthier results.

    More studies: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8012340/

    www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1700459

    …nih.gov/…/longitudinal-assessment-bariatric-surg…

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    • Truffle@lemmy.ml ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Whoa! Lots of assumptions there, pal. Projection much?

      I never said it was cheating or a shortcut, that was all you. I never said people like you should die. You do you and good if it has worked so far, but that does not mean that it is going to work for every single person who gets this suggested by their doctor.

      That does not mean that every person getting this surgery comes out of it scot free forever, look at the data. Sorry to burst your bubble.

      Calling me judgemental is not te flex you think it is.

      Carry on.

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      • derf82@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        You said it comes with side effects as of to say EVERY patient will deal with them. And you act like doctors hide the risk of complications. As an actual patient, absolutely not! My first appointment, I was given a book produced by out program highlighting common issues and how to mitigate/prevent them to the extent possible.

        You clearly want to discourage bariatric surgery. I want to encourage people to make the best decision for themselves in conjunction with their medical team.

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  • Truffle@lemmy.ml ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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