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masterofballs@wolfballs.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

I argue this view of hunter gatherers is revisionist and such conditions never existed, I argue literally Adam and Eve were created with some civilization and so there were no “original hunter gatherers” as Sahlins has argued there were in the 1970s (this anthropological view is recent, about how “great” hunter gatherer life apparently was). Anprim John Zerzan was dismissive of my argument via email, although strictly speaking it cannot be disproven as their theory cannot be proven. So I believe they have faulty anthropological assumptions which make “anarcho-primitivism” and working less seem more attractive.

We can still witness them in Africa https://youtu.be/Ny4bHOnSg0o

Or in the amazon https://youtu.be/e5fvuNUcyIE

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squashkin@wolfballs.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
didn't watch vids but I assume those are vids of currently existing hunter gatherers?

I argue they came about as a breakaway from society, not as humans having evolved and being hunter gatherer originally

picture some kind of society like we have now existing at the beginning of the world, in Genesis, and then a few people leaving that to go live "innawoods", and I argue that's how we get hunter gatherers today

regarding how the current ones live today, I do not know

I do know one "Christian missionary" tried to contact a group that lives on an island and was killed by the tribe for trying to do so

"muh peaceful hunter gatherer primitivists dindu nuffin"

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- masterofballs@wolfballs.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
  
  didn’t watch vids but I assume those are vids of currently existing hunter gatherers?
  
  yeah
  
  picture some kind of society like we have now existing at the beginning of the world, in Genesis, and then a few people leaving that to go live “innawoods”, and I argue that’s how we get hunter gatherers today
  
  Abel was a herder so not much of a hunter and Cain was a farmer. So I guess it is a decent reading to say we started as farmers after the fall. Only later become hunter gather'r. The fall seemed really intentional to me though. I mean why would you put that tree there if you didn't want them to eat it. And it was called the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
  
  But we do have hunter gathers and they don't work 60 hours a day for sure. It is a valid lifestyle.
  
  I do know one “Christian missionary” tried to contact a group that lives on an island and was killed by the tribe for trying to do so
  
  To be fair this is because 100 years or so prior some Christians (really just some Europeans who happened to be Christians) kidnapped a few of them carried them around on a boat back to Europe (with the goal of convincing them their lifestyle was good or something to get their land). Some died, so they took the rest back. Now they kill all foreigners. I can't really blame them for it.
  
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  - squashkin@wolfballs.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
    yeah, some of the mythology of anarcho-primitivists overlaps with Christian belief. Adam and Eve were kind of hunter gatherer, in a way, but maybe not, as they weren't going to die if they didn't have technology. Then after the Fall there's a growth of the use of technology, which is used to prolong life to avoid death.
    
    I like some primitivism and off grid stuff, not sure what to think of hunter gatherers today. We're almost forced to use technology. Those hunter gatherer tribes could be wiped out by the wrong person who decides to attack them, but they haven't been yet so they survive. Lacking technology puts them in a fragile position, but again, they're still here. It's the idea of security by obscurity, their hunter gatherer lifestyle is in a sense only enabled by competing technological societies around them kept in check. Thus the criticism is perhaps it's not globally viable.
    
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