Comment on Jim Kirk on Pike’s Enterprise - Inverse dives into an analysis of canon constraints and lack thereof
Madison_rogue@kbin.social 11 months ago
I would surmise that Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow has somewhat altered the main timeline, and there could be some minor adjustments with the characters to accommodate the story that showrunners want to tell.
I'd consider the Pike/Kirk relationship to be a minor thing. If they meet again, I'd be okay with it if the story broke some of the canon. I mean, they already changed the timeline of the Eugenics War, so is it a huge deal if Pike and Kirk come face to face a couple more times throughout the series?
GuyFleegman@startrek.website 11 months ago
Other than the Kelvin timeline where they just said up front “THIS IS A DIFFERENT TIMELINE,” when has that ever happened?
With SNW, we’re talking about showrunners who contrived a reason for Pike to be “fleet captain” for a single episode just so they could have Kirk and Pike interact without invalidating one line from TOS: “Court Martial.” These showrunners really strike you as fans who are going to make “minor adjustments” and justify it with “well you see back in S02E03 we changed the timeline, so we can do whatever we want!”
Sanctus@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I’m all for keeping canon intact if its possible. But I hope they don’t get trigger happy with contrivances just to keep a line from the 60’s intact that more or less doesn’t matter too much. Does it really matter how much Kirk and Pike interacted? No, not really. But I can say I trust these writers, this show seems to care about Trek and what made it good a lot more than doing their own thing 100% (looking at you Disco).
GuyFleegman@startrek.website 11 months ago
I don’t personally care one way or another. My point is that the SNW writers are making a clear and concerted effort to maintain continuity.
AzPsycho@lemmy.world 11 months ago
100% agree with you. The TOS loyalists are going out of their way to find excuses to hate this show. It’s the best series I have seen since TNG and I am not saying the others were bad. I actually like all of them with the exception of Discovery because eit focuses so heavily on one plotline and one character.
This is an ensemble with humor when it needs it and is more true to the heart of Trek than people are giving it credit.
Sanctus@lemmy.world 11 months ago
It is truly a return to the Golden Age of TNG/DS9/Voy and I’m all here for it. I missed the episode adventures. The way Disco does it is not it with the stories taking the whole season and the characters taking a back seat
passinglurker@startrek.website 11 months ago
This timeline is Altered not Alternate They did the same thing for First Contact, and ENT add just enough time travel to excuse not making the show into a history documentary yet none the less its considered part of the same story as everything that was made before but came later in the timeline.
GuyFleegman@startrek.website 11 months ago
Has the writing staff of First Contact or Enterprise ever confirmed, on the record, that it was their intent to alter the timeline or depict an altered timeline, respectively?
passinglurker@startrek.website 11 months ago
You’re moving the goalposts asking for such explicits beyond what is reasonable. Why would they need to spell it out for you in an interview when they have the actors say “these events weren’t supposed to happen” repeatedly on screen? Are all viewers expected to familiarize themselves with every entertainment news article around and about a film or TV show in order to understand it? These things should be intuitive, and if what is intuitive isn’t the writer’s intent then that’s just a failure on the writer’s part.